View Poll Results: Who would you vote for in the Danish general election of 2015?

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  • Venstre (Liberal)

    2 15.38%
  • Social Democrat

    5 38.46%
  • Danish People's Party

    1 7.69%
  • Social Liberal

    0 0%
  • Socialist People's Party

    0 0%
  • Red-Green Alliance

    2 15.38%
  • Liberal Alliance

    0 0%
  • Conservative People's

    2 15.38%
  • The Alternative

    0 0%
  • Christian Democrat

    1 7.69%
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    Re: Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    So presumably an EU referendum would be a condition for any kind of coalition agreement? or is it not as much of a Sine Qua Non for them as it would be for UKIP?
    Nope. We have had our EU referendums long ago (as did the British but hey!).

    As far as I understand it the Peoples Party want the following.

    1) He wants to split the refugee and immigration debate in two whatever that means since his party is the one that put them in one basket in the first place and make it harder to get asylum in Denmark... which could be a problem. It is pretty hard already. I am hoping that what will come out of it, is a system where people from war torn countries are given asylum and all others are not or something similar. And when the war is over, then they are kicked out.. it is especially the last part that pisses me off as we STILL have a lot of Bosnians in Denmark, and Lebanese. Those wars ended decades ago, so they have no reason to stay.

    2) Reform the EU. They cant demand that Denmark leaves, because that would require a referendum, and that aint gonna happen. Basically he wants Denmark to ally it self with Cameron on this front. This could happen. Considering we already have a lot of exceptions, then I dunno what the heck they want to change other than point 3. Plus, like UKIP, the Peoples Party gets a lot of their funding from the EU because they are well represented in the EU parliament.. yea I know the hypocrisy.

    3) He also wants to put in border checks again. They tried it during the last right wing government but got slapped over the wrist by the EU and had to take it back. How they will try to do it this time I have no idea, because it is unrealistic demand. I suspect they might try to wiggle it into the "EU reform" deal with the EU.

    4) And the final part is the simple part because it is so vague... to secure the economic progress so that the welfare state will be secure in the future, with a special focus on the sick and elderly. Pretty much all parties can agree on that one.

    These are the 4 "steadfast" principles that the Peoples Party want to be in a coalition government. Which means basically chances of one is slim, as the only one that they can agree on is point 4.
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    Re: Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    It is not a mess, it is quite normal. Denmark has not had a majority government in decades as far as I remember.

    Now before the election it was a given that Rasmussen was the leader of the opposition and the blue block. That Dahl happened to gain more seats (3 more) does not change that because lets be frank.. it is most likely a fluke. Chances are they will lose many of those gained seats next election as they usually do. The Peoples Party voters are not exactly the most loyal out there. Many of those votes are most likely protests votes against the Venstre leader himself, and I suspect that for the next election in 4 years, there might be a new leader of the party... at least I hope so.

    Now Dahl does not want to be in government for a simple reason. The future elections. 2nd tier parties in Danish coalition governments tend to lose seats at the next election. The Socialist Peoples party went into coalition government after the 2011 election and lost a lot of votes due to it, despite leaving the coalition government over a year ago. Many voters returned to their roots in the Communist party or the new Alternative party (which frankly smells a lot like the Socialist Peoples party), which this election both became bigger than the Socialist Peoples party for the first time I believe. So if Dahl went into coalition with Rasmussen, then he would have to compromise a lot, which would piss off the base and make them flee to other parties.. most likely Venstre ironically.

    No instead he could become the main backer of a Rasmussen lead minority government with only Venstre in government.. he has done it before. It will be weak, very weak, but its parliamentary basis will be the right wing blue block.

    Other than that Rasmussen would have to negotiate with all parties on every piece of legislation, which is what most Danish governments have done for the last 30+ years. So it opens up a freedom for Rasmussen to say talk EU with everyone else but the communists and the Peoples Party but include them in say social legislation or financial legislation. It could easily be that next years budget could be Venstre, Conservatives, Social Democrats, Radical Liberals for example, totally excluding the Peoples party.. probably wont but it could.

    So this is about as close to a true democracy you can get if you think about it. Parties negotiate across political divides on all issues to reach a compromise that can be accepted.
    Oh I don't object to the idea of the need for negotiations in parliamentary politics. It just seems bizarre to me that Rasmussen will most likely be taking the position of PM and be the one conducting the negotiations instead of Thorning-Schmidt, since her party was in first and increased its share of the vote, which is not something that happened in the election that actually resulted in her becoming Prime Minister. Meanwhile Venstre loses some of its share of the vote and falls from first to third, but will be tasked with forming government. It seems like who becomes PM is based heavily off of the blue bloc and the red bloc, which as you've explained, are definitely not absolute and parties seem to be willing to work with parties from other blocs. It doesn't really seem like the most democratic way to determine who becomes PM.

    If DPP isn't going to take the responsibility of forming government, that seems like it could have good and bad results. Obviously it means that for now, Dahl won't become PM. But the appeal of the DPP is that it's an anti-establishment party, and if it's going to remain part of the anti-establishment, that gives it potential for even more growth. I really hope that its role as the largest right-wing party is temporary.

    The Socialist People's Party really seems like it's in trouble at this point. Most European multi-party democracies have two parties to the left of their social democratic parties: a green party and a hard-left socialist party. I'm not really sure why, but you guys have never really had a successful green party, so the Socialist People's Party has sort of filled that role: an environmentalist party in between the center-left and the hard-left. Meanwhile the Red-Greens occupy hard-left socialism. Now that the Alternative has filled the role of a green party, I don't really see a niche for the SPP in the political system.
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    Re: Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Oh I don't object to the idea of the need for negotiations in parliamentary politics. It just seems bizarre to me that Rasmussen will most likely be taking the position of PM and be the one conducting the negotiations instead of Thorning-Schmidt, since her party was in first and increased its share of the vote, which is not something that happened in the election that actually resulted in her becoming Prime Minister.

    Meanwhile Venstre loses some of its share of the vote and falls from first to third, but will be tasked with forming government. It seems like who becomes PM is based heavily off of the blue bloc and the red bloc, which as you've explained, are definitely not absolute and parties seem to be willing to work with parties from other blocs. It doesn't really seem like the most democratic way to determine who becomes PM.
    Okay I understand what you are thinking, but it is not like that. Let me explain.. or at least try. The day after the election, the sitting Prime Minister goes to the Queen to resign.

    Then every party leader goes to the Queen and recommends who should become "kongelig undersøger", which translated is royal investigator basically. What it means that this person is the one that gets the first shot at forming a government.

    Now the whole right wing will recommend Rasmussen, because that was agreed to before the elections. The left will most likely also point at Rasmussen because the right won most seats. The the Queen summons the one party leader who most pointed too and asks him to form a government.

    Remember, it is technically the Queen that appoints the Prime Minister.

    If DPP isn't going to take the responsibility of forming government, that seems like it could have good and bad results. Obviously it means that for now, Dahl won't become PM. But the appeal of the DPP is that it's an anti-establishment party, and if it's going to remain part of the anti-establishment, that gives it potential for even more growth. I really hope that its role as the largest right-wing party is temporary.
    No one wants the DPP to form a government.. they are simply too unstable as a party. The amount of internal problems, including the split from the Popular Party and all that is still fresh in the minds of many. Now they have gotten rid of many of the old racist farts that caused a lot of the problems, but still the aura of disorganisation is still there. Think the American Tea Party and how disorganized and full of crazies that is. That was the Popular/Peoples Party the first 30 years and it is only the last decade they have become somewhat stable, but every once in a while... And they are in no way ready for it.

    The Socialist People's Party really seems like it's in trouble at this point. Most European multi-party democracies have two parties to the left of their social democratic parties: a green party and a hard-left socialist party. I'm not really sure why, but you guys have never really had a successful green party, so the Socialist People's Party has sort of filled that role: an environmentalist party in between the center-left and the hard-left. Meanwhile the Red-Greens occupy hard-left socialism. Now that the Alternative has filled the role of a green party, I don't really see a niche for the SPP in the political system.
    The Alternative is a reaction to the Socialist Peoples Party becoming part of government 4 years ago.. well as I see it. The Socialist Peoples Party was a many old former communists that formed a party in an attempt to distance themselves from the Soviets. When the wall came down, they went from being fake communists to being the party of the greens.. hilarious change.. overnight. All the far left parties have been fighting over the "green" vote for years. The Socialist Peoples Party and the so called Red-Green Alliance..(basically the old communist party and an even more radical left party) were the parties of Green policy. Now we have one more, basically splitting the far left green vote even more.
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    Re: Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?

    Just an update for those who are interested. A week after the election, the new government is about to be announced. It looks like it will be a minority Venstre led government under Løkke Rasmussen.

    Venstre is the 3rd biggest party after the election and only the 2nd biggest on the right wing... they were basically the big losers at the ballot box. It looks like the right wing parties will back Rasmussen as Prime Minister but every piece of legislation will have to be negotiated with all parties.. which is basically what normally happens anyways. The big winner of the election, the Danish Peoples Party cant form a government because the other right wing parties wont back it. The Danish Peoples Party demands to be part of the government have also been crazy to say the least.. including banning the English language at universities, where some courses are done in English. They had quite a few crazy demands, so I suspect that they were poison pills instead. The other right wing parties also said from the start that they would not join a government but would back a right wing government run by Rasmussen.

    Personally I think it is the best solution. The new government will be the weakest in 40+ years no doubt about that, but I also suspect that most legislation will continue to be done with the Social Democrats and not with the Danish Peoples Party.. which has been the normal way of doing things for decades. The left are in no state at the moment for new elections so I suspect that they also will back for now the new government. The Social Democrats need a new leader and the Socialist Peoples Party needs a lot of soul searching as well. The Red-Green alliance also has it internal problems after the election smacking they got.

    We shall see, it is not final yet but looks more and more like it will be the above.
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    Re: Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Just an update for those who are interested. A week after the election, the new government is about to be announced. It looks like it will be a minority Venstre led government under Løkke Rasmussen.

    Venstre is the 3rd biggest party after the election and only the 2nd biggest on the right wing... they were basically the big losers at the ballot box. It looks like the right wing parties will back Rasmussen as Prime Minister but every piece of legislation will have to be negotiated with all parties.. which is basically what normally happens anyways. The big winner of the election, the Danish Peoples Party cant form a government because the other right wing parties wont back it. The Danish Peoples Party demands to be part of the government have also been crazy to say the least.. including banning the English language at universities, where some courses are done in English. They had quite a few crazy demands, so I suspect that they were poison pills instead. The other right wing parties also said from the start that they would not join a government but would back a right wing government run by Rasmussen.

    Personally I think it is the best solution. The new government will be the weakest in 40+ years no doubt about that, but I also suspect that most legislation will continue to be done with the Social Democrats and not with the Danish Peoples Party.. which has been the normal way of doing things for decades. The left are in no state at the moment for new elections so I suspect that they also will back for now the new government. The Social Democrats need a new leader and the Socialist Peoples Party needs a lot of soul searching as well. The Red-Green alliance also has it internal problems after the election smacking they got.

    We shall see, it is not final yet but looks more and more like it will be the above.
    All in all, I don't whether or not to be disappointed. I don't really like any of the big three parties (although I certainly dislike DPP more than the other two).

    What do you mean with the Red-Green comment? They had their best results in history, and IMO, their gains were one of the few bright spots of this election. Their collective leadership strategy does seem like it would get in the way of becoming a feasible party though.
    Social democrat is no longer an accurate description of my views.

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    Re: Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    All in all, I don't whether or not to be disappointed. I don't really like any of the big three parties (although I certainly dislike DPP more than the other two).
    Lots of people are disappointed with the DPP. I suspect they will flee the part at the next election because of this.

    What do you mean with the Red-Green comment? They had their best results in history, and IMO, their gains were one of the few bright spots of this election. Their collective leadership strategy does seem like it would get in the way of becoming a feasible party though.
    Well yea looking at the results.. dunno what I was thinking off. I dont like the party at all. They are just old school communists and their collective leadership is bull****. Had the election been in July, then they would have lost a lot of votes. One of their main people is a vote eater and she would not have been allowed to run for office any more due to an internal rule in the party.
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    Re: Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?

    Government announced. One interesting minister is the new employment minister.. he is the former head of the Employers union.. a quite controversial selection.

    As a small but significantly important role as "the head of Parliament" has gone to the former DPP leader Pia Kæjrsgård.

    How long this government lasts.. time will only tell, as they are only in power by 1 vote.
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    Re: Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Lots of people are disappointed with the DPP. I suspect they will flee the part at the next election because of this.



    Well yea looking at the results.. dunno what I was thinking off. I dont like the party at all. They are just old school communists and their collective leadership is bull****. Had the election been in July, then they would have lost a lot of votes. One of their main people is a vote eater and she would not have been allowed to run for office any more due to an internal rule in the party.
    Well I'm sure we could debate the merits of the Red-Greens all day. I'm not sure if you mentioned it, I might've missed it somewhere else in the thread. Who did you vote for in the election?
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    Re: Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Well I'm sure we could debate the merits of the Red-Greens all day. I'm not sure if you mentioned it, I might've missed it somewhere else in the thread. Who did you vote for in the election?
    Am overseas, so cant vote.. yea it is stupid.
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