View Poll Results: Who would you vote for in the Danish general election of 2015?

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  • Venstre (Liberal)

    2 15.38%
  • Social Democrat

    5 38.46%
  • Danish People's Party

    1 7.69%
  • Social Liberal

    0 0%
  • Socialist People's Party

    0 0%
  • Red-Green Alliance

    2 15.38%
  • Liberal Alliance

    0 0%
  • Conservative People's

    2 15.38%
  • The Alternative

    0 0%
  • Christian Democrat

    1 7.69%
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    Re: Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    In the Netherlands every party files a list of candidates with the election authority. The positions on the list are decided by the parties itself. For example, the party who won the last election will be list number 1, their party leader will be number 1 on that list and the rest of the candidates take the rest of the places on the list. Normally every party has so many prospective members that a good deal will not be elected because normally you can vote for each candidate. If that candidate has so many votes that she qualifies for a place in parliament, then someone else of the party will not be allowed in our version of the house of representatives.

    Say party 1 has won 20 seats, then if no-one has enough preferential votes to win their seat outright, the party leader and the 19 people who are on the list on place 2 through 20 will have won a seat. But if say number 23 on the list is so popular that he/she has enough preferential votes to win a seat, then the last one on the list to normally get a seat will lose out because the party has a maximum of 20 seats to fill.

    But if this party becomes part of the coalition government then 1 or more will become members of government, they will then no longer be part of the house of representatives because you cannot be both in government and a MP. So they will vacate their seats and say 8 MP's of that party will become part of the government, then their seats will be filled by the numbers 20 to 27 on their original list.

    A lot of political parties have list-pushers, purely put on the list of electable figures to incite people to vote for them (like former party leaders, musicians, actors, writers, etc.) to push the vote for their party but those people will never win enough (and do not really want to be) sitting in parliament.

    And every party constructs it's list of candidates in the same way.
    So Rutte and the cabinet minsters are not MPs, the government is entirely separate? Does the government still physically sit in parliament?

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    Re: Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    That is how I though it worked, turns out it is much more convoluted.
    Not really. It is pretty simple.

    Each party can put up as many candidates in a district as they want. They can rank these candidates as they want.

    The voters can vote either on the party or the candidate. The party votes are given out by the party to the candidates based on how they are ranked.

    Remember we use the D'Hondt method for most votes (135 seats) and Sainte-Laguë method for the remaining seats. Both methods are similar.. just difference maths, but the principles are the same. Threshold is 2%.

    It is a quite fair system when it comes down to things. But in the end you as a voter, have a voting paper (yes we still use pen and paper), with all the candidates in your area and in some areas this is almost a meter long paper You can put your X (has to be an X) on either a name or the party. Pretty easy if you ask me.
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    Re: Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?

    People also have to remember one thing about Danish politics. It aint as split on right and left as American or UK politics... Almost ALL major legislation is bi-partisan, meaning in the last Social Democrat government, the various budgets and stuff were passed not only with the Social Democrats and their supporters on the left, but also with Venstre and the right wing.. usually minus the Peoples Party. Compromise is the key factor of running Denmark.
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    Re: Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    So Rutte and the cabinet minsters are not MPs, the government is entirely separate? Does the government still physically sit in parliament?
    you are right, none of they are not mp's. They are often found in parliament but have no permanent seat in parliament.

    Our congress/house of commons looks like this

    Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?-tweede_kamer10-jpg

    In the benches number one, is the box for the cabinet ministers if they are needed for a debate or if they are there to present a plan or have been called up to answer questions

    at number 2 is the chairwoman of the house of commons, she used to be an MP but he/she is elected by the MP's to be chairperson. The chairperson is no longer an MP and cannot vote.

    at number three is the place where an MP can ask questions are present the opinion of his/her party

    number four is the place where MP's/party commons leaders can ask their questions from the MP at position number three or debate things with the cabinet minister who is sitting/standing in the box with the number one

    like this Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?-media_xl_2273161-jpg

    at the positions 5 are the 150 members of parliament/house of commons. Normally that is only full during voting or contentious debates. A lot of discussions are done at commission meetings (which are open to public) where the cabinet minister is debating issues with the party representatives who specialize in that subject.

    Where it says 6 is the place where the public can come and view the debates.

    When the commons wants to debate for example, crime and justice related issues, all cabinet ministers or under secretaries of that department, will be sitting in box 1. But normally, if they do not have any business with parliament, the cabinet ministers are not in the commons. Their duty is leading the country, not sitting in parliament and acting like politicians.
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    Re: Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?

    I would've much rather preferred that it would've come down to the Faeroese separatists. An independent Faroe Islands would be a much better end to the election than the DPP being given a chance at prime minister.

    With Helle Thorning-Schmidt stepping down as leader of the Social Democrats and Thulesen Dahl ruling out going into government at all, (probably so that they can keep their populist appeal) that leaves Rasmussen as the only viable candidate for PM, despite the fact that his party came in third in popular vote and in seats... what a mess.
    Social democrat is no longer an accurate description of my views.

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    Re: Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?

    I elect this danish:



    But only because your damn system sounds complicated as hell.
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    Re: Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I elect this danish:



    But only because your damn system sounds complicated as hell.
    Actually it's pretty simple.
    It's representative democracy, so you use give your mandate to a candidate to act on your behalf.
    If you can't find someone you're willing to vote for personally, you vote for the party instead, and a candidate is chosen for you.
    In a historical view, the rest is just an arbitrary set of rules to establish how votes translate into MP seats.

    When elected, the MP gets legal immunity and is by bound by nothing but his/her own conscience.
    This is because the mandate belongs to a direct representative of the people, and as such may not be pressured into anything. Even by the party. Or the voters for that matter.
    Pretty basic stuff really.
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    Re: Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    I would've much rather preferred that it would've come down to the Faeroese separatists. An independent Faroe Islands would be a much better end to the election than the DPP being given a chance at prime minister.

    With Helle Thorning-Schmidt stepping down as leader of the Social Democrats and Thulesen Dahl ruling out going into government at all, (probably so that they can keep their populist appeal) that leaves Rasmussen as the only viable candidate for PM, despite the fact that his party came in third in popular vote and in seats... what a mess.
    It is not a mess, it is quite normal. Denmark has not had a majority government in decades as far as I remember.

    Now before the election it was a given that Rasmussen was the leader of the opposition and the blue block. That Dahl happened to gain more seats (3 more) does not change that because lets be frank.. it is most likely a fluke. Chances are they will lose many of those gained seats next election as they usually do. The Peoples Party voters are not exactly the most loyal out there. Many of those votes are most likely protests votes against the Venstre leader himself, and I suspect that for the next election in 4 years, there might be a new leader of the party... at least I hope so.

    Now Dahl does not want to be in government for a simple reason. The future elections. 2nd tier parties in Danish coalition governments tend to lose seats at the next election. The Socialist Peoples party went into coalition government after the 2011 election and lost a lot of votes due to it, despite leaving the coalition government over a year ago. Many voters returned to their roots in the Communist party or the new Alternative party (which frankly smells a lot like the Socialist Peoples party), which this election both became bigger than the Socialist Peoples party for the first time I believe. So if Dahl went into coalition with Rasmussen, then he would have to compromise a lot, which would piss off the base and make them flee to other parties.. most likely Venstre ironically.

    No instead he could become the main backer of a Rasmussen lead minority government with only Venstre in government.. he has done it before. It will be weak, very weak, but its parliamentary basis will be the right wing blue block.

    Other than that Rasmussen would have to negotiate with all parties on every piece of legislation, which is what most Danish governments have done for the last 30+ years. So it opens up a freedom for Rasmussen to say talk EU with everyone else but the communists and the Peoples Party but include them in say social legislation or financial legislation. It could easily be that next years budget could be Venstre, Conservatives, Social Democrats, Radical Liberals for example, totally excluding the Peoples party.. probably wont but it could.

    So this is about as close to a true democracy you can get if you think about it. Parties negotiate across political divides on all issues to reach a compromise that can be accepted.
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    Re: Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I elect this danish:



    But only because your damn system sounds complicated as hell.
    Thats an Austrian struddel... not danish
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    Re: Danish Election 2015- How would you vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No that is the Social Democrats. They might (god I hope not) become the biggest party on the right... still 49% of the votes to be counted and the gab is getting smaller.



    Well lets see. I am ashamed of my country that so many people have voted for those nationalist racist pigs, but just because they become the largest party on the right does not mean that the people on the right will work with them. There is a lot of political angling going on tonight and tomorrow. Lets put it this way, no one on the left want the Peoples Party in government and the right side parties are not exactly thrilled either.

    And the reality here is that many of the new votes going to the Peoples Party are more likely protest votes against the Ventres (The Liberal Party) leader and former Prime Minster. He is an ass, a drunk and frankly he and his cronies have ruined the party. We shall see.
    So presumably an EU referendum would be a condition for any kind of coalition agreement? or is it not as much of a Sine Qua Non for them as it would be for UKIP?

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