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What is the root of Islamic Terrorism?

What is the root of Islamic Terrorism?

  • U.S. Foreign Policy

    Votes: 10 21.3%

  • What they Believe

    Votes: 27 57.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 10 21.3%
  • Total voters
    47
Nightrider said:
Thanks. When in Rome. . .

What's the matter? Can't handle the truth? :lol:


Let’s start with a definition: ". . . (jihad) means to strive for a better way of life. . . fighting to defend one’s life, land, and religion. Jihad should not be confused with Holy War; the latter does not exist in Islam. Jihad is not a war to force the faith on others, as many people think of it.
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Sounds like the typical, uninformed Islamic apologist. I suggest you search the Bukhari haddith for Jihad to see its meaning.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html
It is plainly stated in their doctrine that it is both a "holy war" AND its purpose is "to force the faith on others".
Only question I have is what is your goal here in purposely misrepresenting facts.


Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."
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Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."
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Volume 1, Book 2, Number 35:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr).
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Volume 3, Book 29, Number 84:
Narrated Aisha (mother of the faithful believers):

I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shouldn't we participate in Holy battles and Jihad along with you?"
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Volume 3, Book 46, Number 724:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "A pious slave gets a double reward." Abu Huraira added: By Him in Whose Hands my soul is but for Jihad (i.e. holy battles), Hajj, and my duty to serve my mother, I would have loved to die as a slave.
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Or to quote Bin Laden quoting the Koran and Haddiths-

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.
World Islamic Front Statement Urging Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders
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I suggest you search the Bukhari haddith for Jihad to see its meaning.
USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts
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"Jihad," USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts, paragraphs 1-5
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That's where I got the definition from. It's a reliable source. . . one that was given to me by someone with a PHD in Islam! In other words, I am not misrepresenting facts (I could say that you're trying to do the same thing).

However, let's put that issue aside. . .

I have a question for you. Where do we disagree? I make it perfectly clear in that article where I stand - that jihad means Holy War and a means to force the faith on others. . . and that terrorism is what jihad really means!

It sounds like you either can't read or are a blithering idiot. . .

Either way - I don't care. A***holes like you don't bother me.
 
Re: Move along

"Nothing to see here. Move along," - teacher
 
Nightrider said:
Quote:
"Jihad," USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts, paragraphs 1-5

That's where I got the definition from. It's a reliable source. . . one that was given to me by someone with a PHD in Islam! In other words, I am not misrepresenting facts (I could say that you're trying to do the same thing).
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Soooo why not provide a link? Whats this Paragraph 1-5 crap? "PHD in Islam"??? LOLOL!! Doesnt really do anything for me.

Nightrider said:
What is Jihad? by Nightrider

Let’s start with a definition: ". . . Jihad should not be confused with Holy War; the latter does not exist in Islam. Jihad is not a war to force the faith on others, as many people think of it.
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Nightrider said:
I have a question for you. Where do we disagree? I make it perfectly clear in that article where I stand - that jihad means Holy War and a means to force the faith on others. . . and that terrorism is what jihad really means!
It sounds like you either can't read or are a blithering idiot. . .
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After your 180 degree, about face on your views of jihad, we are now in agreement. Glad we could clear up your misconception, A***hole.
 
Nightrider and dixon76710,

"The Al Qaeda Reader" by Ibrahim is a really good source of Islamic thought as interpreted by, and applied by, OBL, Zawahiri and other radical Islamists. Judging by your posts in this thread, you both would benefit from a careful reading. For example, fundamental Islamist clergy draw a very distinct difference between what they term as "Offensive Jihad" and jihad as has been used throughout most of this thread.
 
Ive read The Al qaeda Reader. Not sure of the significance of a distinction between offensive and defensive Jihad that you percieve.

oldreliable67 said:
Nightrider and dixon76710,

"The Al Qaeda Reader" by Ibrahim is a really good source of Islamic thought as interpreted by, and applied by, OBL, Zawahiri and other radical Islamists. Judging by your posts in this thread, you both would benefit from a careful reading. For example, fundamental Islamist clergy draw a very distinct difference between what they term as "Offensive Jihad" and jihad as has been used throughout most of this thread.
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Originally posted by TOT:
Electrical production and consumption are above pre-war levels end of story.
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If I want this story to continue, it will continue!

End of story...
 
Originally posted by TOT:
http://www.imie.ca/pdf/team_report.pdf
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What's up with this?
Voting and counting procedures in the law meet with democratic standards except that, as in previous elections, the law did not entitle political entity agents to receive copies of polling station tally sheets that recorded the vote count.
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And this...
Some shortcomings nevertheless remain. Most importantly, no deadline is established for the resolution of complaints by the Board of Commissioners. A related concern is that no legal deadlines have been set for the announcement of preliminary or final results.
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And this...
Nevertheless, the IECI did not have at its disposal the technical and human resources to adequately and expeditiously investigate and resolve the volume of complaints it received. As a result, a large number of complaints could not be treated with requisite rigor.
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And this...
Violations of the law led the IECI to cancel the vote in 227 out of some 30,000 polling stations. This has left void a great number of fraudulent ballots, but has simultaneously annulled the ballots of many Iraqis who had cast their ballots in a proper manner. Cancelling ballot boxes without a new election being called in the affected area is particularly regrettable in an electoral system of list proportional representation where the number of votes required to win or lose a seat may vary from governorate to governorate as well as from a given seat to another seat.
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No need to comment on this one, this is a good thing...
In assessing the machinery and management of the elections, it is of paramount importance to remember the circumstances in which they occurred. Armed Violence is ongoing. The personal security of individual citizens is under constant threat. Intimidation is the stock-in-trade of many factions. Despite these conditions, the electoral machinery made it possible for voting and counting to take place nationwide on a single day.
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With that last comment by the IECI, I think you proved your point.

To a point!

Don't let it go to your head...
 
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Billo_Really said:
What's up with this?And this...
And this...
And this...
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Problems with an election as we would see in any Democratic country on the planet let alone one having it's first elections in its history regardless:

Iraq is undergoing a difficult period in its history. It is remarkable that in the midst of widespread violence, three electoral events have taken place within a single year. The legal framework, institutions, and procedures governing the December 15 elections have been designed to meet
international standards.

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Interesting reading from the court documents from the U.S. v. Holy Land Foundation case.
http://www.nefafoundation.org/hlfdocs.html

From one document written by the Muslim Brotherhood.

"On the General Strategic Goal of the Group in North America"

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The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a “Civilization-Jihadist” process with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” their miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim’s destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack.
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http://www.nefafoundation.org/miscellaneous/HLF/Akram_GeneralStrategicGoal.pdf
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Personally, I think shiit like this is the root of Islamic terrorism, and the conditions of the Iraqi, or any other elections, have absolutely nothing to do with it.
 
Originally posted by dixon76710
Personally, I think shiit like this is the root of Islamic terrorism, and the conditions of the Iraqi, or any other elections, have absolutely nothing to do with it.
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I'll agree with you here that whacko group qualifies as one of the roots of the problem. As for the elections, you'll have to excuse me if I feel the need to check my bitch every once in awhile.
 
Billo_Really said:
I'll agree with you here that whacko group qualifies as one of the roots of the problem. As for the elections, you'll have to excuse me if I feel the need to check my bitch every once in awhile.
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"Whacko"?? The Muslim brotherhood is mainstream in the Islamic world. One of the largest Muslim organizations in the world. In many Muslim countries they are one of the largest political parties.
 
Originally posted by dixon76710
"Whacko"?? The Muslim brotherhood is mainstream in the Islamic world. One of the largest Muslim organizations in the world. In many Muslim countries they are one of the largest political parties.
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I don't care who they are. Any organization that thinks they can force religion into the political system of this country, are a bunch of whacko's. Whether they be the Muslim Brotherhood or the Moral Majority, it ain't gonna happen!

Religion does not run this country.

Religion will NEVER run this country.

EVER!
 
Billo_Really said:
I don't care who they are. Any organization that thinks they can force religion into the political system of this country, are a bunch of whacko's. Whether they be the Muslim Brotherhood or the Moral Majority, it ain't gonna happen!

Religion does not run this country.

Religion will NEVER run this country.

EVER!
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B low, B low, B low, when are you going to accept Jesus as your personal lord and savior. Jesus loves even a wretched soul like yours.
 
Originally posted by SgtRock
B low, B low, B low, when are you going to accept Jesus as your personal lord and savior. Jesus loves even a wretched soul like yours.
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I survived 8 years of Catholic school and did time as an alter boy. Me and the Ted Nugent look-a-like are doing just fine.
 
Originally posted by buttonpsi
HAHA, that reminds me of that one Aqua Teen Hunger Force episode.
Is that what you were referring to?
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Never seen ATHF. I was actually refering to my grammar school days.
 
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