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    3 33.33%
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    Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

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    Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yeah. Apparently, younger women are democrats, then a hormonal change sets in and they turn republican once they get married.
    Well, no. Partly it is self-selection (conservative women are more likely to get married) and partly it is a situational change. Women are economically more risk averse than men, and the women who are most likely to be more risk averse are lower net worth, younger women who also make up a disproportionate portion of the unmarried female populace. Risk is reduced when a woman marries, and therefore so is her perception of the need for a strong economic support structure via the State.

    Single women overwhelmingly voted for Obama as an expression of that greater risk-aversion. 53% of married women voted for Romney, and in fact, married women have voted for every Republican Presidential candidate (with the exception of 1996) since 1980.
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    Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, no. Partly it is self-selection (conservative women are more likely to get married) and partly it is a situational change. Women are economically more risk averse than men, and the women who are most likely to be more risk averse are lower net worth, younger women who also make up a disproportionate portion of the unmarried female populace. Risk is reduced when a woman marries, and therefore so is her perception of the need for a strong economic support structure via the State.

    Single women overwhelmingly voted for Obama as an expression of that greater risk-aversion. 53% of married women voted for Romney, and in fact, married women have voted for every Republican Presidential candidate (with the exception of 1996) since 1980.
    That's only because conservatives are more likely to vote, and so are older people (older women are more likely to be married than younger ones of course).

    In point of fact, even married women lean liberal, which somewhat upends this patronizing idea that women supposedly seek a daddy figure in their lives as though they were permanently children unable to care for themselves. Women remain liberal even after getting married, when they supposedly already have a "daddy" in the form of a husband. In fact, it's their husbands who change from Democrat to Republican-leaning, not them.

    Yours is an especially ridiculous assertion in context of the fact that younger women these days are both generally better educated and better employed than their male peers, by virtue of choosing to prioritize their own security (or just their own interests in life).

    Women don't need a daddy. They just tend not to vote for the party that thinks they "rape easy" and the party that is constantly fighting against their right to have medical care and choose their own future. Who could blame us? It's not exactly hard to see why the Republican party struggles to court women, especially younger women with better self-esteem and fewer self-effacing sexist beliefs.
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    Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, no. Partly it is self-selection (conservative women are more likely to get married) and partly it is a situational change. Women are economically more risk averse than men, and the women who are most likely to be more risk averse are lower net worth, younger women who also make up a disproportionate portion of the unmarried female populace. Risk is reduced when a woman marries, and therefore so is her perception of the need for a strong economic support structure via the State.

    Single women overwhelmingly voted for Obama as an expression of that greater risk-aversion. 53% of married women voted for Romney, and in fact, married women have voted for every Republican Presidential candidate (with the exception of 1996) since 1980.
    Your first source looks at women investing. Hardly a broad picture of women in general. It helps to use sources that don't self select only a portion of the populace you are looking at. You then make assumptions about why a group of people acted as they did based on your own beliefs, and that faulty assumption from your first source. You can do better than this...
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    Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Your first source looks at women investing. Hardly a broad picture of women in general.
    Since we are discussing explicitly greater risk aversion in economic security, in fact, it is fairly relevant.

    It helps to use sources that don't self select only a portion of the populace you are looking at.
    So... don't study women making economic decisions when attempting to describe women's predispositions in economic decision-making....

    Okay.

    You then make assumptions about why a group of people acted as they did based on your own beliefs, and that faulty assumption from your first source. You can do better than this...
    I've pointed out a logical line of reasoning, supported it with relevant data, and demonstrated that the hypothesis predictions have consistently come true. You seem to have..... not.....
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    Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

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    Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    That's only because conservatives are more likely to vote, and so are older people (older women are more likely to be married than younger ones of course).

    In point of fact, even married women lean liberal, which somewhat upends this patronizing idea that women supposedly seek a daddy figure in their lives as though they were permanently children unable to care for themselves
    "Daddy"? I don't know. Certainly "Security".

    Women remain liberal even after getting married
    Their voting patterns do not match this

    when they supposedly already have a "daddy" in the form of a husband. In fact, it's their husbands who change from Democrat to Republican-leaning, not them.
    this is simply mathematically untrue. Young, unmarried women tend to vote Democrat (as you point out). Married, usually slightly older women tend to vote Republican. And have done so every Presidential election with a single exception since 1980.

    Yours is an especially ridiculous assertion in context of the fact that younger women these days are both generally better educated and better employed than their male peers, by virtue of choosing to prioritize their own security (or just their own interests in life).
    Women in our younger generation are generally better educated and better employed not least because our education system is broadly set up to reward behaviors females are more skilled in (such as, for example, the ability of 9 year olds to sit still and concentrate for 30-45 minutes at a time) and because adolescent males increasingly lack forced maturation.

    Women don't need a daddy.
    Wrong. Everyone needs a dad. Women no less than men.

    They just tend not to vote for the party that thinks they "rape easy" and the party that is constantly fighting against their right to have medical care and choose their own future.
    This is incorrect on several fronts.

    1. Republicans don't think women "rape easy" - quite the contrary, this is more broadly the implicit assumption of the Democrat Party, which is far more likely to exaggerate things like sexual assault statistics. Anecdotes do not a statistic defeat. Furthermore, it is Republicans who attempt to make women rape more harder, by pushing to enable them to defend themselves against typically larger, stronger men through the lawful use of weaponry, and by not punishing them for being unwilling to try (and possibly fail) to run away. Take a look to see who's behind legal firearm restrictions and "duty to retreat" laws. You won't find Republicans taking the guns out of women and enabling rapists. You'll find Democrats.
    2. Women are actually more likely to want to limit abortion than men.
    3. "Women's medical decisions" are not defined as "Abortion", however, much the left appears to have fallen into that fallacy. In fact, when it comes to actual healthcare choices, it is the Republicans who push for introducing greater choice into the system and having health insurance and health care directed by patients (slightly more than half of whom are women). It is Democrats who want to increasingly centralize those decisions in male-dominated institutions such as Congress.

    Who could blame us? It's not exactly hard to see why the Republican party struggles to court women, especially younger women with better self-esteem and fewer self-effacing sexist beliefs.
    The Republican Party doesn't struggle with women, it struggles with unmarried women, because they have lower risk tolerance and therefore more highly value strong public support structures. The Republican Party consistently wins married women.
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    Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    "Daddy"? I don't know. Certainly "Security".

    Their voting patterns do not match this

    this is simply mathematically untrue. Young, unmarried women tend to vote Democrat (as you point out). Married, usually slightly older women tend to vote Republican. And have done so every Presidential election with a single exception since 1980.

    Women in our younger generation are generally better educated and better employed not least because our education system is broadly set up to reward behaviors females are more skilled in (such as, for example, the ability of 9 year olds to sit still and concentrate for 30-45 minutes at a time) and because adolescent males increasingly lack forced maturation.

    Wrong. Everyone needs a dad. Women no less than men.

    This is incorrect on several fronts.

    1. Republicans don't think women "rape easy" - quite the contrary, this is more broadly the implicit assumption of the Democrat Party, which is far more likely to exaggerate things like sexual assault statistics. Anecdotes do not a statistic defeat. Furthermore, it is Republicans who attempt to make women rape more harder, by pushing to enable them to defend themselves against typically larger, stronger men through the lawful use of weaponry, and by not punishing them for being unwilling to try (and possibly fail) to run away. Take a look to see who's behind legal firearm restrictions and "duty to retreat" laws. You won't find Republicans taking the guns out of women and enabling rapists. You'll find Democrats.
    2. Women are actually more likely to want to limit abortion than men.
    3. "Women's medical decisions" are not defined as "Abortion", however, much the left appears to have fallen into that fallacy. In fact, when it comes to actual healthcare choices, it is the Republicans who push for introducing greater choice into the system and having health insurance and health care directed by patients (slightly more than half of whom are women). It is Democrats who want to increasingly centralize those decisions in male-dominated institutions such as Congress.

    The Republican Party doesn't struggle with women, it struggles with unmarried women, because they have lower risk tolerance and therefore more highly value strong public support structures. The Republican Party consistently wins married women.
    Yes, a daddy figure. You believe women think like children in their politics and need someone to support them. This fails to explain why even the wealthy and married are liberal-leaning, but that is what you are suggesting. If you're going to make these sorts of sexist insinuations, you should at least have the cajones to just be honest about it rather than playing dumb.

    You are simply choosing not to listen. The fact is, women in all demographics are dominantly liberal. I have provided proof of such. However, older people vote more consistently. Therefore, in some demographics, conservative women appear more predominant. But population-wide, women are still more liberal than conservative across all demographics. So, no -- you are mathematically wrong.

    Stop minimizing the the work of women. Men choose not to pursue their education at all more so than women. Women aren't being coddled into the system. They are choosing to pursue it, whereas men are not. Furthermore, the American style of education hasn't changed over the entire course of our country's history. If men were doing well 50 years ago, there's no reason they can't now. If anything, today's system is probably less stifling to them.

    As far as my comments on why Republicans have a hard time courting women, that phrase is a direct quote from an actual Republican politician. So yes, some of them do believe those things.

    Your second assertion is ridiculous. Women are dramatically more likely to be pro-choice than men.

    I am not defining medical decisions as only abortion -- although it's that too. Republicans seek to limit women's healthcare pretty much across the board.

    The Republican party can't gain the majority of women in ANY demographic, married or unmarried. It's just that older people vote more, and thus more married women who are Republican show up to the polls.

    If you are going to continue ignoring the evidence directly contrary to your claims, don't bother. I certainty won't. I just felt it necessary to point out your intentional dodging in owning your insinuations about women's intellects. That kind of dishonesty bugs me.

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    Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Since we are discussing explicitly greater risk aversion in economic security, in fact, it is fairly relevant.
    There is far more to economic risk taking than investment patterns. Many women who are involved in economic decisions do not invest in the stock market, or only do so through a 401k. You are trying to take a specific group of women, and assume that the actions they take are representative of all women, and that simply does not work.



    So... don't study women making economic decisions when attempting to describe women's predispositions in economic decision-making....

    Okay.
    No, but understand that investing in the stock market is selecting a certain group based on the actions they take, and assuming that how they take those actions applies to all. That does not work well.


    I've pointed out a logical line of reasoning, supported it with relevant data, and demonstrated that the hypothesis predictions have consistently come true. You seem to have..... not.....
    Well, no. Not only are you making generalizations about a large group based on a specific subset of that groups actions, you have then assumed that this is the motivation for unrelated actions. That is what is known as a non sequitur. It does not follow.
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    Re: Are "Suburban American Women" Conservative or Liberal Voters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Did I miss something? What's the significance of this poll (or the picture for that matter)?
    I think he's scared of women voting for Hillary. He's right to be scared, a lot of them will. It will be the 1st time they get to vote for one of their gender for President and they sense history in the making.

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