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    Re: Will the Pope's encyclical affect your position on global warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Congratulations. You, like Goshin, were able to use a search engine to find one scientist out of a crushingly small minority of scientists who agree with your viewpoint.
    I didn't find Nir Shaviv, Princeton did, and they decided he is the one they want in the Institute for Advanced Studies. He has joined Henrik Svensmark as a proponent of cosmoclimatology.
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    Re: Will the Pope's encyclical affect your position on global warming?

    The Nasa link was the first one I clicked on. Looking into it further I found this from Live Science:
    In its four paragraphs, the letter deliberately avoids delving into its signatories' reasons for doubting climate-change science, Cunningham told LiveScience. "It's really trying to get NASA to back off from taking political positions on science." [10 Climate Change Myths Busted]

    Human-caused global warming is "a very open issue right now," he said.

    However, that is not how the scientific establishment sees it. NASA Chief Scientist Waleed Abdalati responded to the letter to say that if the work of NASA scientists — who may use the agency's space-based observation tools to study climate change — withstands the scrutiny of other scientists through peer review, then it encourages them to share their results with the public.

    "If the authors of this letter disagree with specific scientific conclusions made public by NASA scientists, we encourage them to join the debate in the scientific literature or public forums rather than restrict any discourse," Abdalati said in the statement.

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    Re: Will the Pope's encyclical affect your position on global warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I didn't find Nir Shaviv, Princeton did, and they decided he is the one they want in the Institute for Advanced Studies. He has joined Henrik Svensmark as a proponent of cosmoclimatology.
    And if I were to link to the rest of the scientists (the overwhelming majority) that accept AGW, would that sway you? As I know your answer will be a resounding no, why did you think your one cherry picked person would sway me?

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    Re: Will the Pope's encyclical affect your position on global warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    And if I were to link to the rest of the scientists (the overwhelming majority) that accept AGW, would that sway you? As I know your answer will be a resounding no, why did you think your one cherry picked person would sway me?
    I'm not trying to sway you. The science will do that. As for majority opinion, as Einstein said about the Hundred Against Einstein, "If they were right one would be enough."
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    Re: Will the Pope's encyclical affect your position on global warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I think it's fair to say then you didn't vote for any of the first four options.
    I didn't vote for any options, there are no valid options to vote for.
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    Re: Will the Pope's encyclical affect your position on global warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I didn't vote for any options, there are no valid options to vote for.
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    Re: Will the Pope's encyclical affect your position on global warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post

    So, only scientists working in the field of climatology are allowed to have viewpoints on AGW?
    Science vs skeptic blogger.....


    "...In 2011 sceptics welcomed the Berkeley Earth Science Temperature project, partly funded by the Charles Koch’s foundation, because it promised to address “the five major concerns that global warming sceptics had identified” in the temperature record.

    A prominent ‘sceptic’ blogger, Anthony Watts, declared: “I’m prepared to accept whatever result they produce, even if it proves my premise wrong”.

    However, when the Berkeley project produced similar results to the Met Office and other meteorological organisations, Watts and other ‘sceptics’ rejected the findings...."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts_(blogger)


    So yes, it's better if the viewpoint on climate change is based on science instead of opinion.



    Nope.

    Scepticism over rising temperatures? Lord Lawson peddles a fake controversy | Environment | The Guardian


    I don't think that article means what you think it means. After a lengthy synopsis of all the arguments for and against climate change, the author concludes that framing the climate change debate around risk management would be a good way to get insurance and financial companies on board with climate change regulations promoted by the IPCC.....


    "...Yet this dissension, declining public interest, and political intransigence may be immaterial. A potential, yet so far unused discursive opportunity to ‘broker’ between pro-regulation frames and ‘economic responsibility’ may lie in a more comprehensive (i.e., including financial) understanding of risk (Hoffman, 2011b). Nagel (2011) discusses how the insurance and reinsurance industry is supremely concerned about exposure to financial risks associated with extreme weather events. The US military is concerned about security risks associated with ‘population displacements, increased potential for failed states and terrorism, potential escalation of conflicts over resources’ (Nagel, 2011, p. 206). Risk management is of fundamental concern to all – including energy – companies, insurance and finance industries, military and other government agencies. Professional engineers and geoscientists (and lawyers, accountants, corporate officers, etc.) are in the business of managing risk. Indeed, engineers have recognized these risks, been working behind the scenes, and revised the Canadian Building Codes to adapt to the changing climate. As our analysis of the different storylines shows, reframing climate change as a risk to be managed – as has been promoted by the IPCC in their recent report (IPCC, 2011) – has the discursive potential to provide a bridge (Snow et al., 1986) to integrate various frames (except ‘fatalists’ who seem generally apathetic) and inject a legitimate diagnosis, established prognoses, identity scripts, and motivational consensus.


    The insurance companies, the US military and the Pope believe climate change is real.

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    Re: Will the Pope's encyclical affect your position on global warming?

    There's really nothing that the pope could say or do that would have any bearing on what I think or do. That said, I rather like this pope, though there's never been another pope that I've liked in my lifetime. And I'm glad to see the church acknowledge the superiority of science.
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    Re: Will the Pope's encyclical affect your position on global warming?

    Nothing the pope says about anything effects any of my positions on important and semi-important issues.
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    Re: Will the Pope's encyclical affect your position on global warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Nothing the pope says about anything effects any of my positions on important and semi-important issues.


    Maybe 'affects' would be a better word, eh?

    Just sayin'


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