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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Perhaps a number slightly higher than the 675,000 that we currently accept,
    So somewhere around close to a million?

    although refugees should be exempted from that number and we should be accepted as many refugees as possible.
    What constitutes a refugee? People being persecuted and exterminated in a country that is at war. Or people in central and south American countries that pro-illegals in office are trying to get labeled as refugees?

    Obama Approves Refugee Plan for Central American Children

    So basically try to make conditions for immigrants worse than the place from which they arrived? Sounds like a very inhumane solution, IMO, and there's no guarantee that even that will cause people to return to the hellholes they came from; a more likely result is creating a permanent underclass without access to public services.
    People who come here illegally come here for jobs, education and other benefits for themselves and their kids.If you remove those incentives for them then you remove their reasons to come and stay here. They are here illegally they should not be able to get services of any kind.
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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    yes, no, maybe

    Make it a capital crime to employ undocumented workers/ immigrants.




    Not going to happen in the USA.

    Wait and see.

    This wouldn't be proposed by any member of Congress.

    On the left or right.

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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So somewhere around close to a million?
    Probably more around like 800,000, but I'm going to tell you right now that I haven't thought in extensive detail what the exact number should be.

    What constitutes a refugee? People being persecuted and exterminated in a country that is at war. Or people in central and south American countries that pro-illegals in office are trying to get labeled as refugees?

    Obama Approves Refugee Plan for Central American Children
    Obama cited increased gang violence and rape as a reason for increased illegal child immigration, which has risen by 90% recently according to another Time article linked in the one you provided. I think it's pretty clear that Central America has some issues of intense violence right now, and a country doesn't have to be officially at war for that to occur. If these children were displaced by extreme gang violence in their home countries that motivated mass emigration, it seems reasonable to include them within the definition of refugee.

    People who come here illegally come here for jobs, education and other benefits for themselves and their kids.If you remove those incentives for them then you remove their reasons to come and stay here. They are here illegally they should not be able to get services of any kind.
    Maybe people won't choose to come here if we treat them so abusively, but that won't simply get rid of people who currently live here. Firstly, conditions where they came from are so dire, that they are not going to return as long as the area is unstable. That's why they chose to immigrate illegally in the first place: they are desperate for a better life. Secondly, should they decide to leave, how are they going to even get to the border if you've removed their ability to obtain a driver's license?
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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Not going to happen in the USA.

    Wait and see.

    This wouldn't be proposed by any member of Congress.

    On the left or right.
    Your reply is nonsensical.
    He never said it would be proposed.
    He asked if it would solve the issue. It is a hypothetical.
    Did you really not understand that?

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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Was a tongue in cheek comment based on the fact the issue still hasn't been resolved politically in the USA.


    Ignore the constitutionality.

    Imagine if that WERE the law.

    Would the problem disappear?
    The gun violence problem in the USA will be solved eventually.

    But not by people like you, who don't take it seriously.

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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The gun violence problem in the USA will be solved eventually.

    It is not a "gun violence" problem.
    It is a violent criminal problem.
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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Probably more around like 800,000, but I'm going to tell you right now that I haven't thought in extensive detail what the exact number should be.
    Many people haven't.

    Obama cited increased gang violence and rape as a reason for increased illegal child immigration, which has risen by 90% recently according to another Time article linked in the one you provided. I think it's pretty clear that Central America has some issues of intense violence right now, and a country doesn't have to be officially at war for that to occur. If these children were displaced by extreme gang violence in their home countries that motivated mass emigration, it seems reasonable to include them within the definition of refugee.
    So you support the inflated definition of refugee in order to allow people to abuse the refugee system. These countries have been like that for a long time.We do not fly in people from Columbia just because it its the cocaine capital of the world.

    Maybe people won't choose to come here if we treat them so abusively,
    It is not abusive to deny tresspassers things they are not entitled to.


    but that won't simply get rid of people who currently live here
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    They come here for those things.So if you remove their ability to get those things then they will not have a reason to stay here illegally.

    Firstly, conditions where they came from are so dire, that they are not going to return as long as the area is unstable. That's why they chose to immigrate illegally in the first place: they are desperate for a better life.
    The only reason our country is currently better than their country is because right now they can get jobs, benefits and many other things. That is why they choose to illegally come and stay here.If you remove those things they immigrated here for then they have no reason to stay here.

    Secondly, should they decide to leave, how are they going to even get to the border if you've removed their ability to obtain a driver's license?
    These people came to this country illegally and are here illegally.I seriously doubt that they are worried about driving without a driver's licenses.
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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Many people haven't.

    So you support the inflated definition of refugee in order to allow people to abuse the refugee system. These countries have been like that for a long time.We do not fly in people from Columbia just because it its the cocaine capital of the world.
    "Abuse"... These people are most likely to be killed or raped or both if they remain in their home country.

    It is not abusive to deny tresspassers things they are not entitled to.
    To be human comes with certain inalienable rights.

    They come here for those things.So if you remove their ability to get those things then they will not have a reason to stay here illegally.



    The only reason our country is currently better than their country is because right now they can get jobs, benefits and many other things. That is why they choose to illegally come and stay here.If you remove those things they immigrated here for then they have no reason to stay here.


    These people came to this country illegally and are here illegally.I seriously doubt that they are worried about driving without a driver's licenses.
    They're not going to leave unless they can go somewhere where they can access these necessities. That's why they're here in the first place.
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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    yes, no, maybe


    Make it a capital crime to employ undocumented workers/ immigrants.

    I'm embarrassed that you would say such a thing.
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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    "Abuse"... These people are most likely to be killed or raped or both if they remain in their home country.
    Drug cartels are not on every city block in those countries

    To be human comes with certain inalienable rights.
    They are here illegally,they do not have a right to tax payer funded services, schools, licenses and etc.

    They're not going to leave unless they can go somewhere where they can access these necessities.
    They are not going to come here if they can not get those things here. Seeing how most of those people are here to earn money and send it back home then yes they will leave.
    That's why they're here in the first place.
    They are here because they can get a job, send their kids to school and exploit other benifits of being here illegally. You remove their ability to get those things then they won't come here nor will they stay here.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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