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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    Not all crimes are equal. Just because someone violated a law and came to the United States improperly doesn't mean that you can stand on a moral high ground and declare that we should not reward criminals when a clear and imminent problem exists.

    Legal immigration should be much easier in the first place. The issue of illegal immigrants needs to be addressed because millions of them already live in the country and sending them to the back of the line will only lengthen the problem.
    Again, there is no spin you can put on what you have just written to hide what it reveals, that you treasonously favor the interests of invading foreign criminals against those of the citizens and legal residents of this nation.
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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Again, there is no spin you can put on what you have just written to hide what it reveals, that you treasonously favor the interests of invading foreign criminals against those of the citizens and legal residents of this nation.
    If you're not going to address my post there's really no point.
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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    If you're not going to address my post there's really no point.
    What is there to address?

    All you're doing is arguing for the “right” of foreign criminals to invade our country, and depicting it as a “problem” if we get rid of them.
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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    If it were strictly enforced, then of course it would. People aren't going to risk their lives to get their fruit picked slightly cheaper.

    But that kind of solution is ridiculously impractical, and ridiculously overkill. Like using a bunker buster to get rid of an anthill.
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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So what might be your suggestion?
    Treat them the same way we do mobsters,drug dealers and other criminals who profit from illegal activies.
    Make those who hire illegals subject to prison time, a diff fine $100,000 fine per illegal and subject to asset seizure and forfeiture laws after a guilty conviction.

    I think a stiff fine, like $10,000 per offense, is fine.
    People use illegal labor in order to pay substandard wages.A $10,000 fine would pay for itself in a year or two when hiring illegals.

    Then, of course, you need to have a means to find it and enforce it, I think that, just like having the fire department walk businesses once a year, you ought to be able to have ICE walk in any time they want and check your employee files for employees without legal documentation. Those that have irregularities get checked more often. Those fines pay for the inspections and let's be honest, companies aren't going to have just one illegal employee, they're going to have multiples and it might put the smaller companies out of business the first time they're caught. So be it. It will put lots of companies out of business the second time and by the third, clearly they just don't care and they're going away regardless.
    That is a good idea.
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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    What is there to address?

    All you're doing is arguing for the “right” of foreign criminals to invade our country,
    You really enjoy antagonizing undocumented immigrants, don't you? To clarify, you would not feel this way if they immigrated legally, correct?

    and depicting it as a “problem” if we get rid of them.
    Well the existence of 12 million undocumented people within our borders obviously is a problem. What does "get rid of them" mean, deporting them, because deportation of 12 million people has no basis in reality.
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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    yes, no, maybe


    Make it a capital crime to employ undocumented workers/ immigrants.

    I like the idea, let it roll, problem is Cons are too stupid to figure out that as long as America has an addiction to cheap labor, due to their own greed, and a obsession for street drugs, you will have more and more Hispanics trying to com over here..

    I would much rather have Hispanics in my community , than White toxic racist Hitler wannabes, at least I won't have to worry about a Mexican killing innocent elderly folks in the local church, or blowing up a federal building In an act of terrorism, McVeigh style, or bombing the town abortion clinic..

    Keep on coming!!!

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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    yes, no, maybe


    Make it a capital crime to employ undocumented workers/ immigrants.

    It might but it is not a solution that should ever be considered by anyone.
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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    You really enjoy antagonizing undocumented immigrants, don't you? To clarify, you would not feel this way if they immigrated legally, correct?.
    How many immigrants should we allow into our country legally each year? Should it be a million, two million or ten million a year?


    Well the existence of 12 million undocumented people within our borders obviously is a problem. What does "get rid of them" mean, deporting them, because deportation of 12 million people has no basis in reality.
    Massive deportations have been done in the past and they were successful. Operation Wetback and Mexican Mexican Repatriation. But you don't actually need to deport 12 to 20 million illegals. These simple things will encourage illegals to leave on their own.


    1.Crack down on the scum who hire illegals.Treat them no different than we do drug dealers and other criminals who profit from and or use their money for illegal activities. That means prison time, severe fines, and subject them to asset seizure and forfeiture.

    2. In order to get any ID or driver's license you present a birth certificate, green card, or certificate of naturalization and social security card.After that require a state issued ID or driver's license in order to the following-

    -enroll yourself into school
    -enroll your minor kids into school
    -apply for welfare,food stamps,section 8 housing and any other tax payer assistance for yourself and or your children
    -get a business license,fishing/hunting permit,building permit, license to practice law, food handlers permit, gun license(in states that require a permit to buy a gun),concealed carry permit(in states that require a license to conceal carry) or any other tax payer funded service
    -open a bank account, cash a check, use a credit/debit/pre-paid card, apply for a loan,or wire money.
    -rent,borrow,lease or buy property
    -rent,borrow,lease or buy a motor vehicle.
    -get legal documents for yourself or your children.
    -get utilities

    3.Mandate E-verify for every employer. And as a condition of getting a business license the employer will be subject to once or twice a year random unannounced inspections by ICE.

    4.Repeal part of the immigration and nationality act of 1965 that allows for the chain migration of relatives other than spouse or minor children.This would virtually eliminate anchor babies.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Would this solve the illegal immigration issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How many immigrants should we allow into our country legally each year? Should it be a million, two million or ten million a year?
    Perhaps a number slightly higher than the 675,000 that we currently accept, although refugees should be exempted from that number and we should be accepted as many refugees as possible.

    Massive deportations have been done in the past and they were successful. Operation Wetback and Mexican Mexican Repatriation. But you don't actually need to deport 12 to 20 million illegals. These simple things will encourage illegals to leave on their own.


    1.Crack down on the scum who hire illegals.Treat them no different than we do drug dealers and other criminals who profit from and or use their money for illegal activities. That means prison time, severe fines, and subject them to asset seizure and forfeiture.

    2. In order to get any ID or driver's license you present a birth certificate, green card, or certificate of naturalization and social security card.After that require a state issued ID or driver's license in order to the following-

    -enroll yourself into school
    -enroll your minor kids into school
    -apply for welfare,food stamps,section 8 housing and any other tax payer assistance for yourself and or your children
    -get a business license,fishing/hunting permit,building permit, license to practice law, food handlers permit, gun license(in states that require a permit to buy a gun),concealed carry permit(in states that require a license to conceal carry) or any other tax payer funded service
    -open a bank account, cash a check, use a credit/debit/pre-paid card, apply for a loan,or wire money.
    -rent,borrow,lease or buy property
    -rent,borrow,lease or buy a motor vehicle.
    -get legal documents for yourself or your children.
    -get utilities

    3.Mandate E-verify for every employer. And as a condition of getting a business license the employer will be subject to once or twice a year random unannounced inspections by ICE.

    4.Repeal part of the immigration and nationality act of 1965 that allows for the chain migration of relatives other than spouse or minor children.This would virtually eliminate anchor babies.
    So basically try to make conditions for immigrants worse than the place from which they arrived? Sounds like a very inhumane solution, IMO, and there's no guarantee that even that will cause people to return to the hellholes they came from; a more likely result is creating a permanent underclass without access to public services.
    Social democrat is no longer an accurate description of my views.

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