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    Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    If it is shown that it costs less in taxpayer dollars to provide apartments for the homeless than it would be to just let them remain homeless in the streets, would you support using taxpayer dollars to pay for apartments for the homeless?

    Why or why not?
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    If it is shown that it costs less in taxpayer dollars to provide apartments for the homeless than it would be to just let them remain homeless in the streets, would you support using taxpayer dollars to pay for apartments for the homeless?

    Why or why not?
    I think more and more people would just become homeless because life is hard and this would be an easy alternative.

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    I always consider it disingenuous when someone tells me it's cheaper for the taxpayer to pay more taxes than to require a person to be responsible for himself.

    I am especially skeptical of that story about the teacher who became homeless. But hey...maybe I expect too much intelligence from a person who's profession was to educate our youth. Maybe there is more to that story that's not being told...like maybe he lost his job because he's an alcoholic. I don't know, but it sounds fishy to me.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    If it is shown that it costs less in taxpayer dollars to provide apartments for the homeless than it would be to just let them remain homeless in the streets, would you support using taxpayer dollars to pay for apartments for the homeless?

    Why or why not?



    Meh. Give 'em a 6x10' hut each with a futon, toilet and sink. No electricity, no comms, no A/C, but some kind of heat in the winter sure. Stack 'em ten stories high in a fenced complex and try to keep 'em away from the regular folks somewhat.

    Give 'em a block of generic nutrient paste every day that will keep starvation at bay, a bar of soap once a month, and a couple blankets.


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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    if they are not crazy, dopers, lazy or boozers, 90+% CAN sell plasma, "fly a sign" ,do day labor, do work gigs on Craisslist, etc, enough to get an old car to live in. $300 or less, if it doesn't run very well. Get around on a bicyle and the bus. Fix up the car as you can, then get more work from day labor, cause you can haul around other workers who lack a car. Soon have a mini-van. if you are organized and know what to do, the van will suffice for years on end, while you accumulate 15k per year of school loans ,for 5 years. there are several ways to turn that school money into retirement within that 5 years.

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    If it is shown that it costs less in taxpayer dollars to provide apartments for the homeless than it would be to just let them remain homeless in the streets, would you support using taxpayer dollars to pay for apartments for the homeless?

    Why or why not?
    One would have to be a direct descendant of Ebenezer Scrooge to not support this. Hell yes. Give them a modest shelter, clothing budget, and food budget. And enforce some rules regarding nuisance behaviors--quiet hours at 10 PM weeknights and 12 AM weekends, no loud music EVER, no smoking indoors, no loud arguments, etc.

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    It would be far cheaper, and better for the economy overall, for the homeless that were able bodied and mentally healthy to clean themselves up and use whatever opportunities are available to not be homeless anymore.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    I think more and more people would just become homeless because life is hard and this would be an easy alternative.
    Really? How about this: trying becoming homeless, and then try finding and keeping a job while being homeless. Seeing as how you can't wash and iron your clothes, and the only bath you can take is probably at a sink in a McDonald's restroom, it's pretty doggone hard for a homeless person to ever get and keep a job. Yet so many just look at them with scorn, telling them, "go get a job."

    That's what providing an apartment allows them to do: take a shower, wash and iron clothes - even clothes from Goodwill, if they're clean and pressed, looks a heck of a lot more presentable (and job-worthy) than just what a homeless person has on his or her back.

    Also, you're going on the assumption that if we give them a place to live, they'll suddenly become lazy. But if you'll check, most people want the dignity of a job. If a person's been on the streets, most of them would love the opportunity to get a job, to be able to do for themselves. YES, there will be some who will take advantage of the situation - the modern-day version of 'welfare queens'...but the great majority just need the opportunity to be able to get a job, as menial as that job may be...because even the most menial jobs are out of the reach of those who are homeless.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I always consider it disingenuous when someone tells me it's cheaper for the taxpayer to pay more taxes than to require a person to be responsible for himself.

    I am especially skeptical of that story about the teacher who became homeless. But hey...maybe I expect too much intelligence from a person who's profession was to educate our youth. Maybe there is more to that story that's not being told...like maybe he lost his job because he's an alcoholic. I don't know, but it sounds fishy to me.
    Thing is, the study linked to in the story isn't the only study. Google it - there's been several studies that also found that it's cheaper for the taxpayer to pay for apartments for the homeless than it is to pay for what happens because those people are homeless.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    I'm not Scrooge..I'm just opposed to ANYBODY, using govt guns to take money from anybody. If you aren't able to provide for yourself, then either rely on charity or perish in and of your own void, or do the honorable thing and end your own worthless life.

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