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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Liberty comes with a price. He's right, we aren't obligated to help the homeless. And you have no right to force others to do as you wish at the point of a gun.
    I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. We as citizens vote for public officials who make these decisions and levy the taxes and spend the money. It's how this thing works, and if you don't like it, vote in people who agree with you, and I'll vote for people who share my views. Thankfully, the clear majority favors public spending on social services.

    And, sure, we aren't obligated to help ANYONE. Kids die because they can't get an infection treated and mom can't afford the doctor bills? We CAN say - well too bad, freedom! But then don't preach to me about religion and Christianity and assert that those who do want to help don't understand their religion. Just say you don't give one damn about them, and if they die in the streets, f'em because liberty or something demands suffering.

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    If it is shown that it costs less in taxpayer dollars to provide apartments for the homeless than it would be to just let them remain homeless in the streets, would you support using taxpayer dollars to pay for apartments for the homeless?

    Why or why not?
    Probably would be cheaper... right now. It would also provide incentive for people currently on the edge to just give up and join the ranks of the homeless.

    This is a "be careful what you wish for" solution.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    There is no reason, given the resources that we have in this country, that any American should be homeless or hungry. To answer the poll, I would support it even if it were not cheaper. Great if it is, but I would support it either way.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    One other point, why do you find it necessary to use idiotic comments like, "OK, so the Christian thing is to let the homeless rot on the streets. Just wanted to clear that up. Thanks!"?
    Because if we as society or Christians aren't obligated to help them, that is the alternative in real life, in our communities, to people we pass every day on the streets. The charitable resources just are not there to serve the population as we speak. It's easy to say, "Well, charities SHOULD address these problems" but when they do not (i.e. in real life) address them because they don't have the resources, it's just fact that people will in fact die on the streets.

    If you don't favor that or accept it as the acceptable price of freedom and liberty, and don't favor public efforts, then what is your suggestion?

    BTW, if we are honest we all accept that to some degree. There are millions or billions of starving, destitute people worldwide, and unless we give away all our possessions and live in poverty and move to some poor area to devote our lives to help them out as much as is humanly possible, we do accept that state of affairs. That's just the reality. But then let's be honest and say that instead of pretending we're doing something else.

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    If it is shown that it costs less in taxpayer dollars to provide apartments for the homeless than it would be to just let them remain homeless in the streets, would you support using taxpayer dollars to pay for apartments for the homeless?

    Why or why not?
    Why don't we give every man, woman, and child 1.5x the poverty rate and let them do as they will? Then, if someone wants better they can go get a job. But those who don't care have the means to have the basics, and it's fair because everybody has the means to have the basics. It'd be only the extras you work for.

    There. Problem solved.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Some people are homeless by choice. They actually prefer the lifestyle.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Poll Question is assumed in both of the possible answers. What is someone who thinks it is likely that it will not prove cheaper to answer?
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Why don't we give every man, woman, and child 1.5x the poverty rate and let them do as they will? Then, if someone wants better they can go get a job. But those who don't care have the means to have the basics, and it's fair because everybody has the means to have the basics. It'd be only the extras you work for.

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Even if you could prove that providing the apartments would be cheaper, there is a the matter of maintenance. Visit any public housing and see what the conditions of repair are. People who have things given to them do not respect what they have been given as much as people who have earned it do. Consequently, the cost of keeping that housing in good repair is going to be higher than if those who live there had purchased the home.

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, so the Christian thing is to let the homeless rot on the streets. Just wanted to clear that up. Thanks!
    No. Now you are intentionally trying to misunderstand. Let me make it clear for you: charity to have any moral worth or value must be voluntary. State mandated wealth transfers are not a replacement for voluntary Christian giving, nor are they in the slightest bit moral. You do not steal so that good may come.

    Yes, AN option is to turn your head and pretend these folks don't exist and say "f' you, leave me alone" to those you can't ignore, but I don't see how that is moral or ethical. And in the real world faith based charities haven't stepped up and solved actually ANY big problem in America. So I'm not sure what your proposal is, except to continue to ignore these folks, or know that charities are overwhelmed and say, well, life sucks for those who fall through the cracks, good luck in the next life!

    BTW, I don't know who "they" are but I'm a taxpayer like you, I volunteer my time, for years, to help these people and we donate our money to that charity and many others in the area - the food banks and other faith based on non-faith based orgs who help out. So if you want to whine about people not walking the walk or expecting others to do what I'm not, you'll have to find someone else to bitch to. And in the meantime, please tell us all your efforts as a Christian to help out and then tell me why more of those like you haven't stepped up and founded charities, since you want the state to play no role....
    I am not a Christian. And I do nothing to set up charities. That is my right as a free man. You may call that immoral if you like, but my actions are not a moral crime no matter what you think. You, on the other hand, don't get to then choose the immoral path of confiscating that which does not belong to you in order to do "good."

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