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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    What makes you think that these apartments wouldn't require additional police presence, the courts wouldn't have to be just as involved and the same people wouldn't go to prison? You think that giving people apartments is going to magically change their anti-social behavior?
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    Living on the streets isn't cheap: Each chronically homeless person in Central Florida costs the community roughly $31,000 a year, a new analysis being released Thursday shows.

    The price tag covers the salaries of law-enforcement officers to arrest and transport homeless individuals — largely for nonviolent offenses such as trespassing, public intoxication or sleeping in parks — as well as the cost of jail stays, emergency-room visits and hospitalization for medical and psychiatric issues.

    In contrast, providing the chronically homeless with permanent housing and case managers to supervise them would run about $10,000 per person per year, saving taxpayers millions of dollars during the next decade, the report concludes.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    If it is shown that it costs less in taxpayer dollars to provide apartments for the homeless than it would be to just let them remain homeless in the streets, would you support using taxpayer dollars to pay for apartments for the homeless?

    Why or why not?
    Since many chronic homeless people have mental health issues, I vote for getting them some kind of mental health treatment. Housing would also be provided.

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Can't answer the poll because the questions are poorly worded.
    And how do you feel it should be worded, hm?
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    You don't get it would be be cheaper if the state did none of that stuff.
    Oh wow, you mean, no police, no courts, no prisons?

    You don't have to imagine what a place like that is like - we have it today - it's called, "Sudan".
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    sounds nice in theory...but in real life, not so much. Shelters only have so much capacity and turn people away on a regular basis. The others normally don't allow someone to sleep there. And how many of those places have facilities to allow the homeless person to wash, clean, and iron his or her clothes every single day so he or she can go to work?

    I doubt any of them do.
    So you're willing to have them remain as a permanent underclass. I have higher hopes for them, but the first step is for those who are homeless to not be okay with being homeless anymore. "Free" apartments won't provide that motivation. Not sure why you think it would be such a good idea to just warehouse people.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Here:

    Living on the streets isn't cheap: Each chronically homeless person in Central Florida costs the community roughly $31,000 a year, a new analysis being released Thursday shows.

    The price tag covers the salaries of law-enforcement officers to arrest and transport homeless individuals largely for nonviolent offenses such as trespassing, public intoxication or sleeping in parks as well as the cost of jail stays, emergency-room visits and hospitalization for medical and psychiatric issues.

    In contrast, providing the chronically homeless with permanent housing and case managers to supervise them would run about $10,000 per person per year, saving taxpayers millions of dollars during the next decade, the report concludes.
    How much cheaper would it be if they weren't being warehoused and had jobs instead?
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Section 8 housing is never nice...but at least most - yes, MOST - of the people there do go get jobs, even if they're just minimum wage. In fact, if you'll check, if you're working full time at minimum wage trying to support a family, Section 8 housing is about the best you can afford.
    That's because people working minimum wage jobs and trying to support families are idiots. If you cannot afford a family, you have no business trying to have one.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Here:

    Living on the streets isn't cheap: Each chronically homeless person in Central Florida costs the community roughly $31,000 a year, a new analysis being released Thursday shows.

    The price tag covers the salaries of law-enforcement officers to arrest and transport homeless individuals — largely for nonviolent offenses such as trespassing, public intoxication or sleeping in parks — as well as the cost of jail stays, emergency-room visits and hospitalization for medical and psychiatric issues.

    In contrast, providing the chronically homeless with permanent housing and case managers to supervise them would run about $10,000 per person per year, saving taxpayers millions of dollars during the next decade, the report concludes.
    And you're pretending that these people aren't going to be doing all of these same things in their new apartments. People keep pointing out how wrong you are, you just won't listen. Instead of costing $31k, it will cost $41k.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    How much cheaper would it be if they weren't being warehoused and had jobs instead?
    A lot of those people are not physically, socially or psychologically capable of having jobs. They will never be physically, socially or psychologically capable of having jobs. They are lost causes.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Since many chronic homeless people have mental health issues, I vote for getting them some kind of mental health treatment. Housing would also be provided.
    I agree with this regarding the mentally ill.
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