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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Call me crazy but I think it would be cheaper for the taxpayers not to do any of that.
    Google and read the studies - they found that providing apartments for the homeless is actually cheaper than it is to pay for the increased police presence, the use of the court system, and the extra prison capacity that comes with having those people on the streets.

    Yes, that's counterintuitive...but one is cheaper than the other. And there's the rub - you do pay. One way or another, you pay anyway. You can pay more for cops and courts and prisons...or you can pay somewhat less for apartments to give them a place where they can take a shower, wash and iron their clothes, and get a job.

    But you pay anyway. Do you want to pay more for the stick...or less for the carrot?
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Call me crazy but I think it would be cheaper for the taxpayers not to do any of that.
    You're crazy.
    "The Homeless Task Force reported it costs Utah $19,208 on average per year to care for a chronically homeless person, including related health and jail costs. Pendleton found that to house and provide a case worker for the same person costs the state about $7,800."
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You're crazy.
    "The Homeless Task Force reported it costs Utah $19,208 on average per year to care for a chronically homeless person, including related health and jail costs. Pendleton found that to house and provide a case worker for the same person costs the state about $7,800."
    Utah's Strategy for the Homeless: Give Them Homes - NBC News
    It would be cheaper if the state did none of that.

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    sounds nice in theory...but in real life, not so much. Shelters only have so much capacity and turn people away on a regular basis. The others normally don't allow someone to sleep there. And how many of those places have facilities to allow the homeless person to wash, clean, and iron his or her clothes every single day so he or she can go to work?

    I doubt any of them do.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Google and read the studies - they found that providing apartments for the homeless is actually cheaper than it is to pay for the increased police presence, the use of the court system, and the extra prison capacity that comes with having those people on the streets.

    Yes, that's counterintuitive...but one is cheaper than the other. And there's the rub - you do pay. One way or another, you pay anyway. You can pay more for cops and courts and prisons...or you can pay somewhat less for apartments to give them a place where they can take a shower, wash and iron their clothes, and get a job.

    But you pay anyway. Do you want to pay more for the stick...or less for the carrot?
    You don't get it would be be cheaper if the state did none of that stuff.

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Can't answer the poll because the questions are poorly worded.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    I'm opposed to handing out anything to anyone for free. If they want it, they can work for it. I've seen some of the Section 8 housing they give out to the poor and without exception, they've all been graffiti-covered, drug-filled, crime-filled cesspools. Nobody there is getting any help, they're just being left to rot because they don't actually have to do anything for themselves. I did suggest years ago that some of the closed military bases ought to be opened to the homeless, they have shower facilities, they have addresses, they have kitchens designed to feed lots of people and can be opened to charities. Force all the homeless off the streets into these camps, get them the help they need and require them to get clean, get educated and get their lives together.

    Of course, liberals hate that idea.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    I wish someone would start a business where they had rows of washers and dryers and for quarters you could rent these machines and clean your clothes

    For 20 dollars a month you can get a membership at a low end gym with showers and a locker room too.

    If you live near a truck stop 10 bucks will get you a shower as well

    Any able bodied person can shower and clean cloths if they want to
    It's not helping anyone to create silly no win scenarios where people can't help themselves
    Mm-hmm...walk down on Rainier Ave. and ask the homeless why they aren't doing those really simple things! Like where they can safely sleep without getting beat up and robbed or raped or worse. What you're requiring is that they find a safe place to sleep - wherever that might be - and then they have to travel to go take a shower, then travel to go wash their clothes - and it's not like they have anyplace to hang their clothes up to keep them from getting messed up from one day to the next.

    Not only that, but when they fill out the job application, what's going to be their home address? The boss will ask for a physical address...and so should the homeless person lie? And then what's he going to say when the boss says, "that's where we'll send your W-2" and the homeless person says, no, that's not my mailing address. The boss is gonna be immediately suspicious when their mailing address is "General Delivery".

    You see, that's just it - it's so easy for those of us who have never been homeless to really grasp the challenges they face. It's so easy for us to say, "well, just do this and do that"...but when it comes to the actual doing of that thing...it's not that it's not easy...but it's often flatly impossible.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Google and read the studies - they found that providing apartments for the homeless is actually cheaper than it is to pay for the increased police presence, the use of the court system, and the extra prison capacity that comes with having those people on the streets.

    Yes, that's counterintuitive...but one is cheaper than the other. And there's the rub - you do pay. One way or another, you pay anyway. You can pay more for cops and courts and prisons...or you can pay somewhat less for apartments to give them a place where they can take a shower, wash and iron their clothes, and get a job.

    But you pay anyway. Do you want to pay more for the stick...or less for the carrot?
    What makes you think that these apartments wouldn't require additional police presence, the courts wouldn't have to be just as involved and the same people wouldn't go to prison? You think that giving people apartments is going to magically change their anti-social behavior?
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm opposed to handing out anything to anyone for free. If they want it, they can work for it. I've seen some of the Section 8 housing they give out to the poor and without exception, they've all been graffiti-covered, drug-filled, crime-filled cesspools. Nobody there is getting any help, they're just being left to rot because they don't actually have to do anything for themselves. I did suggest years ago that some of the closed military bases ought to be opened to the homeless, they have shower facilities, they have addresses, they have kitchens designed to feed lots of people and can be opened to charities. Force all the homeless off the streets into these camps, get them the help they need and require them to get clean, get educated and get their lives together.

    Of course, liberals hate that idea.
    Section 8 housing is never nice...but at least most - yes, MOST - of the people there do go get jobs, even if they're just minimum wage. In fact, if you'll check, if you're working full time at minimum wage trying to support a family, Section 8 housing is about the best you can afford.
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