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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    A lot of them are mentally ill or suffer from addiction...but a lot of them aren't. There's lots of other reasons that people become homeless, such as those fleeing abusive households, those who lost their jobs or were laid off, those who became bankrupt due to medical costs.
    I agree and wasn't trying to imply otherwise.

    My perspective is a little biased because the charity I'm involved with provides a lot of addiction treatment, so we get mostly addicts and dual diagnoses people - mentally ill primary, substance abuse secondary. We accept civilian and VA patients, and for the VA population, where the only "qualification" (as it were) is homelessness, I'm guessing on average about 80% have some form of mental illness or addiction issue. Most of the others have physical problems. But these are mostly older, Vietnam era folks.

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    I am a social democrat, and even if it is cheaper, it is still not acceptable to provide apartments for homeless people. Shelters yes, provide affordable living (as in private rooms in a sort of half way house to homeless people yes. To all of these things yes, but there are thousands of people working their behinds off for even meager accommodations. You can help homeless people by giving them a leg up but that is it. Providing apartments is not acceptable IMHO when one looks at all the people who do work their behinds off to have a roof over their head and who also do not get free apartments.
    toward that end the tactics and the strategies that people resort to in carrying out this ideologically driven agenda of what they call “pro-life” which is really pro-fetus does not have anything to do with the lives of babies after they’re born or the women who bear them.

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Ah. If it were true, THEN you'd support it. But you know how those doggone lib'ruls are, y'know, 'cause they're just a-gonna skew the numbers just 'cause they hate 'Merica, y'know...'cause you know them lib'ruls ain't never honest, and all them studies are all part of one big left-wing conspiracy.

    An' we all know it too, don' we? We couldn't prove it, but we just knows how the got every single one of the world's major scientific institutions (an' almost all the scientists) to all agree about global warming - but we just can't show how they went about doin' it. Not only that, but them lib'ruls also got millions - an' I mean MILLIONS - of fraudulent votes out there. We haven't been able to prove more than about twenty of them since the turn of the century, but you know them lib'ruls - they're awful sneaky, gettin' millions an' millions of them illegal im-grants to risk arrest and deportation to cast that there vote! An' I bet it's that there George Soros who directs all this from his ivory castle somewhere, even though we haven't caught him doin' it yet....

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    In other words, guy, has it ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe we DON'T 'skew the numbers', that maybe, just maybe those studies might be exactly what they say they are?
    Take a deep breath.

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And that's the problem. You're standing on your assumptions. Oh, you'll deny that you're assuming anything whatsoever, but you certainly are. If you weren't, then you would certainly spend even a few minutes researching the group, checking on the validity of the study, or seeing if there are any other studies that back up or disprove what that one study found.
    I didn't comment on the study until I read the article. You have a problem with that?
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Your solution sounds like the slums of Rio ...

    Actually if "City of God" was any indicator, the slums of Rio are far worse...


    ... and there are slums in Africa I've seen videos on, which make Rio's worst look like paradise. Everything is kind of relative....

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ".... are there no prisons? are there no workhouses?..." .... are there no Christians amongst us?


    I said feed them and house them. I said keep them warm, make sure they have water and blankets.

    Those are the necessities of life. For much of human history just having dependable shelter, clean water and a reliable source of food was a struggle for most of humanity... it STILL is, half the people on the "bottom billion" in the world today would kill to get that deal. I mean damn have you ever seen what a slum in Africa looks like? Horrors beyond horrors....

    This covers the basic necessities of life adequately, and I'm saying fine, give it to 'em for free and bill me on my taxes.



    So why are you making me out to be Scrooge here? Because I'm not advocating giving them a nice house with all the amenities for nothing? Steak dinners every Thursday no charge? Big screen TV and broadband internet and cable no charge? what exactly do you expect here?

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    That's what we did. We waited until both of us were going well in our career, had a house, and our student loans were paid off before we had our first child when I was 33.
    Same here. I was a little younger but we waited until we were ready.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Same here. I was a little younger but we waited until we were ready.
    I think we got it wrong though. They could have been out of the house a long time ago.

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    I think we got it wrong though. They could have been out of the house a long time ago.
    My oldest graduates from high school tomorrow and goes away to college in the fall. She's not quite on the 18/30 plan, but it's pretty close.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    My oldest graduates from high school tomorrow and goes away to college in the fall. She's not quite on the 18/30 plan, but it's pretty close.
    My boys are 15 and 18. I've got a while to go myself.

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