View Poll Results: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

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  • If it's cheaper to the taxpayer, I would support providing apartments for the homeless.

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    No I do not support providing apartments for the homeless through taxpayer dollars.

    I do however, am a strong believer in local and state governments working with local charities to provide shelter for those in need. Shelters staffed with folks that can help those who truly want to find work, an addict who wants to come clean, or anyone else who needs a helping hand in picking up the pieces and starting over.

    Folks need to stop looking to Mama government for solutions to all problems. Things like homelessness need to be addressed locally. It takes folks that are willing to give of themselves in the communities in which they live to make a difference.

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    If it's actually cheaper then yes but I wouldn't trust the numbers because liberals will skew them to fit their agenda of wealth redistribution and so I would probably vote against it unless the study were done by some group I trust
    Ah. If it were true, THEN you'd support it. But you know how those doggone lib'ruls are, y'know, 'cause they're just a-gonna skew the numbers just 'cause they hate 'Merica, y'know...'cause you know them lib'ruls ain't never honest, and all them studies are all part of one big left-wing conspiracy.

    An' we all know it too, don' we? We couldn't prove it, but we just knows how the got every single one of the world's major scientific institutions (an' almost all the scientists) to all agree about global warming - but we just can't show how they went about doin' it. Not only that, but them lib'ruls also got millions - an' I mean MILLIONS - of fraudulent votes out there. We haven't been able to prove more than about twenty of them since the turn of the century, but you know them lib'ruls - they're awful sneaky, gettin' millions an' millions of them illegal im-grants to risk arrest and deportation to cast that there vote! An' I bet it's that there George Soros who directs all this from his ivory castle somewhere, even though we haven't caught him doin' it yet....

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    In other words, guy, has it ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe we DON'T 'skew the numbers', that maybe, just maybe those studies might be exactly what they say they are?
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Since when has government solved any problem completely? What makes you think it will be different in this case?
    Y'know, that's something I've noticed about conservatives - if a solution doesn't COMPLETELY, 100% solve a problem, then that solution is worthless. "We can't get ALL the homeless off the streets, so why bother to get any of them off the streets!"

    And if you really knew your history, you'd know that there's a heck of a lot of things our government has done and continues to do right. Ah, but I forget - the government's all incompetent all the time...except when the president's got an (R) behind his name....
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    My response to you was to indicate that the poll was poorly worded because of the prejudicial language. I personally have not looked at the link you posted. I don't know if the study was done by a group with an agenda. I don't know about the validity of the study. I'm not commenting on the study.
    And that's the problem. You're standing on your assumptions. Oh, you'll deny that you're assuming anything whatsoever, but you certainly are. If you weren't, then you would certainly spend even a few minutes researching the group, checking on the validity of the study, or seeing if there are any other studies that back up or disprove what that one study found.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    And the reality is that guy is probably mentally ill, or addicted to drugs or alcohol, likely both, and is in a downward spiral that's tough to stop on your own. It is tough for those with support - family, friends, lots of money. Put them on the streets and there is little actual chance. If the housing first approach works, my guess is it does so by providing a way for someone to 'fail' a few times and not be immediately back on the downward spiral on the streets and so gives them an actual chance to make it long term. It's a guess, but we know from our own population that lots of them take 2 or 3 or 4 tries before it "sticks" long term. We expect it and plan for it.
    A lot of them are mentally ill or suffer from addiction...but a lot of them aren't. There's lots of other reasons that people become homeless, such as those fleeing abusive households, those who lost their jobs or were laid off, those who became bankrupt due to medical costs.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Y'know, that's something I've noticed about conservatives - if a solution doesn't COMPLETELY, 100% solve a problem, then that solution is worthless. "We can't get ALL the homeless off the streets, so why bother to get any of them off the streets!"

    And if you really knew your history, you'd know that there's a heck of a lot of things our government has done and continues to do right. Ah, but I forget - the government's all incompetent all the time...except when the president's got an (R) behind his name....
    Again with the false narratives. You just can't help yourself, can you?

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Your premise presumes that we put them in apartments, all issues are solved, everybody lives happily ever after, and it ends there.
    No, I never even implied that. Would it be messy? Sure - anything having to deal with humans, and especially the poorer humans, usually is. But would it be better than putting them into the streets-to-prisons-to-streets-to prisons cycle? Yes.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    So how is that any different than you being forced to pay for wars, or a military you disagree with (other than one is constitutional)?
    Not a bit. I know you haven't read all the posts, but I make that very point. We ALL fund stuff we don't like. I accept that as the cost of living in a diverse, first world, representative democracy, and think it's well worth it.

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Salt Lake City, Utah is not what one would think of as a liberal sort of town. However, their experience over the past ten years has found that providing housing for the homeless ends up costing less plus it gets people off the street.

    Salt Lake City has cut its chronic homelessness rate dramatically during the last 10 years by giving homeless people nice, permanent places to live with lots of counseling on-site. Its experience offers valuable lessons.

    This city has all but ended chronic homelessness, and San Francisco could learn a lot from how that happened.
    What Salt Lake City did was simple: It created attractive housing that street people actually longed to live in, provided the new residents with plenty of on-site counseling to help them with problems such as drug abuse and unemployment, and put one person in charge who could get government and nonprofit agencies to work together.

    The result is that in the decade since Salt Lake and San Francisco launched campaigns to end chronic homelessness, Salt Lake's hard-core street population shrank so drastically it is expected to be statistically gone by next year - but San Francisco still struggles mightily. And Salt Lake did this by spending $20 million a year in a million-resident metropolitan area. San Francisco spends $165 million.

    San Francisco has challenges Salt Lake City doesn't - real estate prices and the cost of living are more than twice as high in the Bay Area, and far more homeless people move to San Francisco than head to Salt Lake. And that $20 million in Salt Lake is bolstered by more than $20 million in additional donations from the Mormon Church and other nonprofit groups.
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    When Salt Lake and San Francisco began their 10-year plans to end chronic homelessness in 2005 and 2004, respectively, each had about 3,000 people who lived full time on their streets. Today, San Francisco has about 2,000 - and Salt Lake has about 400.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    No, I never even implied that. Would it be messy? Sure - anything having to deal with humans, and especially the poorer humans, usually is. But would it be better than putting them into the streets-to-prisons-to-streets-to prisons cycle? Yes.
    Ok. Realistically, what would be some of the downsides and/or challenges that would come up?
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