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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    apartments? .. no way.... you're talking about giving away, for free, that which everybody else works very hard and pays big money for.

    I wouldn't be opposed to some sort of living quarters, though...something like old school Marine Squad bays.
    something that provides the very basics in shelter and hygiene facilities, at minimal cost to taxpayers.

    I also wouldn't be opposed to a chow hall, if staffed by the residents themselves.

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    No that's too cruel. We cant expect our homeless to live like some lowly private. They need a place of their own, with three meals a day, a tv, internet, job training, transportation, leisure time, and a wardrobe that wont stigmatize them. You know, all those things that the rest of us actually have to get up every morning and bust our asses to achieve...

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Eliminate all wealth transfer welfare schemes and funding what is left amounts to mere pennies on the dollar. As for how it could be funded, you answered that yourself in the very first line of your last response to me. People who use the courts and the legal system pay for it. For example, Lebron James negotiates a new contract with the Cavs for $100,000,000. If there was a fee of 1% per dollar value of every contract, Lebron and the Cavs would cough up a million dollars. I buy your car for $10,000 and we cough up $100. That way people who use the legal system pay for it.
    Sure, it's "pennies" on the dollar, but that's still a lot of pennies.

    And I don't think your proposal works, but it really doesn't matter. That's not the system we have, but you have the same right I do to try to change it and enforce your priorities on me and the rest of your community, including the powerful business community. Good luck getting e.g. GE to agree to pay a fee for every contract it signs!

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Harsh.

    If everyone in this country waited until they had a quarter of a mil invested, the population would die out pretty quickly. That's a lot of money for people just starting out, and that's when most of the women are having children.
    I think a quarter million is a bit silly, but at least people ought to wait until they have a decent job, can afford a decent roof over their head and the ability to put food on the table without turning to government handouts. I don't give a damn if people like it, it's called personal responsibility and something that should be a basic expectation in society.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If the state is spending less on the homeless than they were prior to the program then why would it need to cut other social services or law enforcement to fund it?
    The savings has to come from somewhere. If they are spending, say, $20 on housing, yet not saving any money on social services or law enforcement or whatever, then it's not really a savings, is it?
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    That's how it should work. I pay police to protect my rights. Investigating crimes is part of that.
    You use the court system whether you realize it or not. Decisions from other people's cases affect you, even if you were not a direct participant.


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    I pay police to protect my rights. Investigating crimes is part of that.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    If it is shown that it costs less in taxpayer dollars to provide apartments for the homeless than it would be to just let them remain homeless in the streets, would you support using taxpayer dollars to pay for apartments for the homeless?

    Why or why not?
    I support sheltering some, but not all of them. If a woman flees an abusive situation, setting them and their kids up in housing is acceptable. If someone is homeless because their parents kicked them out because they are a 24 year old thieving drug addict who has never had a real job, then I would not support providing them housing.

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    And do you take into account the cost of maintaing those appartments and constantly replacing them as they get thrashed?
    First, you're assuming that this is going to happen most or all the time. Some will, absolutely. But most won't.

    Now how about doing some research of your own and find out how much it costs per month to keep someone in jail (it's over $100 per day...which means it's over $3000 per month per person, which is a heck of a lot more than a freaking studio apartment). Add to that the cost of additional police presence, and the costs of the lawyers and judges. And don't forget the costs of the emergency rooms where the homeless go so often, claiming they have this or that problem just so they can have a warm, safe place to sit down for a while.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The savings has to come from somewhere. If they are spending, say, $20 on housing, yet not saving any money on social services or law enforcement or whatever, then it's not really a savings, is it?
    Using your logic, if one area of social services is saving money then they're all saving money. But I'm pretty sure the money is allocated according to an annual budget so that each department or agency gets its own funding.

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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Using your logic, if one area of social services is saving money then they're all saving money. But I'm pretty sure the money is allocated according to an annual budget so that each department or agency gets its own funding.
    No, I'm asking where this supposed savings is that people are claiming exists. If you can't demonstrate it, it doesn't exist. If you're spending exactly the same money on everything else, plus $20k for each apartment, that's not savings, that's losing money.
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    Re: Is is cheaper for the taxpayer to provide apartments for the homeless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I think a quarter million is a bit silly, but at least people ought to wait until they have a decent job, can afford a decent roof over their head and the ability to put food on the table without turning to government handouts. I don't give a damn if people like it, it's called personal responsibility and something that should be a basic expectation in society.
    That's what we did. We waited until both of us were going well in our career, had a house, and our student loans were paid off before we had our first child when I was 33.

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