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Thread: THe European Union

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    Re: THe European Union

    The EU is Europe's business. Let the electorates in European countries decide whether to participate or not.
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    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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    Re: THe European Union

    The EU has been very benificial to Europe, economically and politically, for most of the second half of the 20th Century. The problem is that for some of its promotors the EU has become a goal in and of itself, rather than a tool to improve the economic development and growth in the member countries. The EU has expanded too fast territorially (especially Bulgaria and Romania came in much too soon) and it should simply stop further accession talks for the next few decades (except if certain developed members of the European Economic Area such as Norway or Switzerland want to join, which is very unlikely). It should also recognize that there is a limit beyond which it can't go, i.e. not entertain crazy ideas about Turkish or Ukrainian membership for example.
    Even more problematic than its too great territorial expansion has been the overreach in new areas where the EU seeks to replace the member states. The EU urgently needs to return to its original focus and essential rol in the economic field (single market, trade talks with the rest of the world, competition policies, energy policy, ...) and stop trying to be a super-state that claims a role in all aspects of society.

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    Re: THe European Union

    So does the US... you wanna stop that too?
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    Re: THe European Union

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So does the US... you wanna stop that too?
    The US is one country. The EU is not a country.

    That being said, the free traffic of persons, goods and capital throughout the EU is one of the main foundations and I think it must be preserved. That doesn't mean that common sense measures against benefits tourism or other abuses can't be used. That is perfectly possible within the existing framework.

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    Re: THe European Union

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    The US is one country. The EU is not a country.
    Well the US is a republic, with individual states... which is closer to what the EU is. Dont even try to deny that. In fact I would claim that the EU is what many GOP States rights advocates wants for the US.

    That being said, the free traffic of persons, goods and capital throughout the EU is one of the main foundations and I think it must be preserved. That doesn't mean that common sense measures against benefits tourism or other abuses can't be used. That is perfectly possible within the existing framework.
    But there aint no freaking benefits tourism.. it is a bull**** lie by anti-EU people. If any country does allow "benefits tourism" then it is that country´s own fault as there is provisions in existing EU rules to prevent that kind of bull****.
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    Re: THe European Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    judging by this, Europe might be better off with some kind of union instead of fighting over borders.

    Clearly a continent of not much more than translators and surveyors.

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    Re: THe European Union

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Well the US is a republic, with individual states... which is closer to what the EU is. Dont even try to deny that. In fact I would claim that the EU is what many GOP States rights advocates wants for the US.
    That is complete nonsense. The EU is not a country.

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    Re: THe European Union

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    That is complete nonsense. The EU is not a country.
    And that is irrelevant.
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    Re: THe European Union

    Good idea because it keeps Europeans from going to war with one another. Also, it strengthens our best allies against the Russians etc as the EU is pretty much the economic version of NATO.

    It needs reforms because clearly, as the Greece situation demonstrates, they haven't gotten their banking system totally squared away yet.

    Part of me thinks once the EU matures a bit more, they should just do away with the Euro altogether and they should just go on the dollar with us. But not until they figure out how they screwed Greece up so that kind of thing doesn't repeat

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    Re: THe European Union

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Good idea because it keeps Europeans from going to war with one another. Also, it strengthens our best allies against the Russians etc as the EU is pretty much the economic version of NATO.

    It needs reforms because clearly, as the Greece situation demonstrates, they haven't gotten their banking system totally squared away yet.

    Part of me thinks once the EU matures a bit more, they should just do away with the Euro altogether and they should just go on the dollar with us. But not until they figure out how they screwed Greece up so that kind of thing doesn't repeat
    That is nonsensical and would turn the EU into a complete economic dependency of the US.

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