View Poll Results: If Watergate had never happened would Nixon be remembered as a good President?

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    Re: If Watergate had never happened...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Nixon is most underrated president in American history


    The man was a criminal.

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    Re: If Watergate had never happened...

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Tell that BS to the many thousands of Chile's citizens who were murdered and abused by the Pinochet regime which was put in power by the USA.
    Try to separate facts here: yes the Pinochet era was a disaster for Chileans and scarred them forever, but strictly from an American perspective, it didn't materially harm us

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    Re: If Watergate had never happened...

    Nixon struck me as a very complex and flawed man.

    - He gave us the DEA.
    - He was a strong proponent of a universal inclusive national healthcare plan.
    - He (& Dr. Kissinger) were very good at Foreign Policy, Viet Nam aside - though he did withdraw the troops, effectively ending the non-war.
    - He began the process of restoring diplomatic relations with China - not an easy thing politically, after 'Nam.


    So there's a lot to like & dislike about the guy, and I predominately dislike him, even without considering Watergate.

    But, if he would've prevailed w/o Watergate, and maybe pulled-off universal healthcare (along with withdrawing the troops), I'd feel pretty positive about the guy!
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    Re: If Watergate had never happened...

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I think that's really gonna depend on who you ask.

    For me, kicking the Drug War off in earnest is a major black mark, and kind of hard for me to get over. But I suppose I would have still put him in the middle of the pack, were it not for Watergate, based on what he did in his presidency to that point.

    As others have said, it's a little hard to know given that he didn't finish it because of Watergate.
    Nixon was the one who started the drug war, but Reagan was the one who kicked it into overdrive. For this reason Reagan has faded in my view with the passage of time.
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    Re: If Watergate had never happened...

    vietnam and hearing that recording where he suddenly became interested in talking about health care, once his adviser mentioned the incentives of HMOs would be to *deny* treatment, ensures i will always think of him as a real devil, even aside from watergate. He was a crook thru and thru

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    Re: If Watergate had never happened...

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    - He was a strong proponent of a universal inclusive national healthcare plan.
    lol are you serious? he gave us HMOs and lied about the reasons behind that too

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QkgUkM0o6Q

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    Re: If Watergate had never happened...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Nixon was the one who started the drug war, but Reagan was the one who kicked it into overdrive. For this reason Reagan has faded in my view with the passage of time.
    Yeah. To be honest, I think I dislike Reagan even more.

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    Re: If Watergate had never happened...

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Try to separate facts here: yes the Pinochet era was a disaster for Chileans and scarred them forever,
    but strictly from an American perspective, it didn't materially harm us


    It did with the innocent people who were harmed by those people.

    Try to tell them how great the USA is.

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    Re: If Watergate had never happened...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Nixon was the one who started the drug war, but Reagan was the one who kicked it into overdrive. For this reason Reagan has faded in my view with the passage of time.
    True.

    Nixon gave us the DEA and the war on drugs.

    The Reagan administration greatly expanded it:

    Zero tolerance
    Stiff mandatory minimum sentencing.
    Drug testing
    Banking transaction reporting & monitoring
    Asset seizure
    Summary confiscation of cash & property
    etc., etc.

    I essentially see it as, "Nixon gave us the War on Drugs - the Reagans made it a War on the American People".

    Consequently, our Constitution stands in tatters ...
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    Re: If Watergate had never happened...

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    It did with the innocent people who were harmed by those people.

    Try to tell them how great the USA is.
    We can agree that Nixon was a good president for Americans, and a poor American president for Chileans.

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