View Poll Results: Have we (the US) screwed up the Middle East?

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Thread: Have we (the US) screwed up the Middle East?[W:51***]

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    Re: Have we (the US) screwed up the Middle East?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Justify that empirically please. Statistics and numbers would be helpful.
    Please be more specific. What exactly do you mean by "that"


    Do you mean this:

    The first, accurate census shows that even after decades of massive Jewish immigration, Muslims still comprised the majority population:
    PALESTINE.
    REPORT ON
    PALESTINE ADMINISTRATION, 1922.
    http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/A682CABF7...
    XVI.--CENSUS.
    Moslems .......... 590,890
    Jews .......... 83,794
    Christians .......... 73,024
    Druzes .......... 7,028
    Samaritans .......... 163
    Bahais .......... 265
    Metawallis .......... 156
    Hindoos .......... 1,454
    Sikhs .......... 408

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    “Demographic history of Palestine”
    Demographic history of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Numbers in thousands
    Year 1890
    Jews 43
    Christians 57
    Muslims 432
    Total 532

    Year 1914
    Jews 94
    Christians 70
    Muslims 525
    Total 689

    Year 1922
    Jews 84
    Christians 71
    Muslims 589
    Total 752

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    Re: Have we (the US) screwed up the Middle East?

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
    Please be more specific. What exactly do you mean by "that"


    Do you mean this:

    The first, accurate census shows that even after decades of massive Jewish immigration, Muslims still comprised the majority population:
    PALESTINE.
    REPORT ON
    PALESTINE ADMINISTRATION, 1922.
    http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/A682CABF7...
    XVI.--CENSUS.
    Moslems .......... 590,890
    Jews .......... 83,794
    Christians .......... 73,024
    Druzes .......... 7,028
    Samaritans .......... 163
    Bahais .......... 265
    Metawallis .......... 156
    Hindoos .......... 1,454
    Sikhs .......... 408

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    “Demographic history of Palestine”
    Demographic history of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Numbers in thousands
    Year 1890
    Jews 43
    Christians 57
    Muslims 432
    Total 532

    Year 1914
    Jews 94
    Christians 70
    Muslims 525
    Total 689

    Year 1922
    Jews 84
    Christians 71
    Muslims 589
    Total 752
    You claimed most historians believe that it was a mistake. This is a gigantic claim made with no evidence.

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    Re: Have we (the US) screwed up the Middle East?

    No. We haven't screwed up anything. The ME has been screwed up since before it was even recognized as the Middle East. Them sumbitches have been fighting with each other since they figured out they could throw a rock and hurt another person. They hate everything not their own. The reason we're involved is because some of these sumbitches are talking about running the world, killing everyone not like them, and using nuclear weapons to achieve and enforce it. Seems like a good reason to see what these mother****ers are up to in my humble opinion. If it were up to me, and you can thank your lucky stars it isn't, I'd light a certain select group up, and see what's left to deal with. No nation building, no "Oh gee, I'm sorry". Simply waste 'em, salt the earth, and dare another mother****er to try the same **** again.

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    Re: Have we (the US) screwed up the Middle East?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Mistake number one. Bush should not have invaded Iraq.

    Mistake number two. Everything Obama has done in Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Yemen.
    Short memory huh.

    1921 - Britain draws up arbitrary state lines in M.E.
    1949 - CIA backs coup in Syria to oust elected government
    1953 - MI6/CIA backed coup to overthrow Mossadegh in Iran
    1954 - Privatization of Iranian Oil to put Britain and US in control
    1963 - CIA supports coup in Iraq
    1973 - US arms kurdish rebels in Iraq to help strengthen Iran
    1980 - US renews diplomatic ties with Iraq
    1986 - US sells weapons to Iran
    1988 - US accidently shoots down passenger flight over Persian Gulf killing ~300 civillians
    1988 - US allegiance in Iraq/Iran war switches to Iraq
    1991 - US coalition launches attack on Iraq after they attack Kuwait
    1993 - US launches missile strikes on Iraq
    1995 - US imposes trade ban on Iran

    Actions have consequences. Even if an act seemed like the right thing to do at the time, the US (and the west in general) has had absolutely zero interest in the long term stability in the M.E. or the wellbeing of its people. That is what is coming back to bite us.
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    Re: Have we (the US) screwed up the Middle East?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    Short memory huh.

    1921 - Britain draws up arbitrary state lines in M.E.
    1949 - CIA backs coup in Syria to oust elected government
    1953 - MI6/CIA backed coup to overthrow Mossadegh in Iran
    1954 - Privatization of Iranian Oil to put Britain and US in control
    1963 - CIA supports coup in Iraq
    1973 - US arms kurdish rebels in Iraq to help strengthen Iran
    1980 - US renews diplomatic ties with Iraq
    1986 - US sells weapons to Iran
    1988 - US accidently shoots down passenger flight over Persian Gulf killing ~300 civillians
    1988 - US allegiance in Iraq/Iran war switches to Iraq
    1991 - US coalition launches attack on Iraq after they attack Kuwait
    1993 - US launches missile strikes on Iraq
    1995 - US imposes trade ban on Iran

    Actions have consequences. Even if an act seemed like the right thing to do at the time, the US (and the west in general) has had absolutely zero interest in the long term stability in the M.E. or the wellbeing of its people. That is what is coming back to bite us.
    I'm sure Alexander the Great did something terrible as well. The question was have we screwed up in the middle east. To me that indicates recent history. Granted we've made mistakes in foreign policy through our history but few we know remember them.
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    Re: Have we (the US) screwed up the Middle East?[W:51***]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Have we (the US) screwed up the Middle East?

    I think we have, and for decades to come. For good or for bad, and as imperfect as it was, it was somewhat stable. Now, it's chaos.

    Discuss.
    We didn't start the fire. We could have depopulated the place, I guess. We had the means for the job. That would have stopped the squabble. But do you really think that would have been better?

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    Re: Have we (the US) screwed up the Middle East?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    You claimed most historians believe that it was a mistake. This is a gigantic claim made with no evidence.
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    Simply put, I meant the way in which the British promised the same land to two different groups of people.

    Do you normally make conflicting promises to 2 different people i.e. sell the same car to two people, & consider it wise?

    What, specifically, do you want to know?

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    Re: Have we (the US) screwed up the Middle East?

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
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    Simply put, I meant the way in which the British promised the same land to two different groups of people.

    Do you normally make conflicting promises to 2 different people i.e. sell the same car to two people, & consider it wise?

    What, specifically, do you want to know?
    I suspect that unwinding empire can be messy no matter what you do.

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    Re: Have we (the US) screwed up the Middle East?

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
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    Simply put, I meant the way in which the British promised the same land to two different groups of people.

    Do you normally make conflicting promises to 2 different people i.e. sell the same car to two people, & consider it wise?

    What, specifically, do you want to know?
    I want to know your evidence for the assertion that "most historians" think it was a mistake. This was a bold claim. Do you have any evidence?

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    Re: Have we (the US) screwed up the Middle East?

    If gutless Carter had used a neutron nuke on Teheran when they grabbed our embassy, that would have been the END of anyone messing with us in the mideast (and probably anywhere else around the world, too) Saved 40 (volunteers) and lost 40,000 (and counting ,many of them innocents right here at home, too

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