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    If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Would we have invaded? Yes

    Would we have invaded? No

    Would we have invaded? Maybe

    Would we have invaded? Other


    SHOULD we have invaded? Yes

    SHOULD we have invaded? No

    SHOULD we have invaded? Maybe

    SHOULD we have invaded? Other

    If we knew the actual nature of Islam I wonder if we woulda or shoulda invaded.

    One unknown aspect of the true nature of Islam is that Muslims are more Muslim than Americans are American, IMHO.

    Another is that Muslims are commanded to make every other religion and form of government ion Earth disappear.

    If we knew that we would not be overwhelmingly greeted as liberators would we have had that humanitarian motive to add to the reasons why we believed we SHOULD have invaded?
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    There was no reason to invade.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    I believe Saddam Hussein needed to be dealt with, he was being very uncooperative with UN weapon inspectors. However we decided to bring far more force and destruction into play than I believe was necessary. I personally believe we should have given him an ultimatum to either cooperate fully and immediately or be taken out. If he continued to be uncooperative we should have gathered intelligence (even if it took months) and made a strategic strike by bomb or a small team of commandos directly on him leaving the rest of the country alone. We should never have moved forces into the country.

    Once he was killed and his successor was in place we give the same ultimatum and consequences to them, eventually whomever was in power would comply to UN weapon inspections the way they should.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    The invasion of Iraq was one of the worst blunders ever, nearly equal to having gotten bogged down in a ground war in SE Asia years ago. It has cost upwards of a trillion dollars and thousands of lives, and left the situation there worse than it was when Hussain was in power.

    How anyone with 20/20 hindsight can't see that for what it is is a mystery to me. I was against the invasion from the start, having lived through and with the results of that other blunder in Vietnam. Anyone who was for the war has to have their foresight and leadership questioned.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Would we have invaded? Yes

    Would we have invaded? No

    Would we have invaded? Maybe

    Would we have invaded? Other


    SHOULD we have invaded? Yes

    SHOULD we have invaded? No

    SHOULD we have invaded? Maybe

    SHOULD we have invaded? Other

    If we knew the actual nature of Islam I wonder if we woulda or shoulda invaded.

    One unknown aspect of the true nature of Islam is that Muslims are more Muslim than Americans are American, IMHO.

    Another is that Muslims are commanded to make every other religion and form of government ion Earth disappear.

    If we knew that we would not be overwhelmingly greeted as liberators would we have had that humanitarian motive to add to the reasons why we believed we SHOULD have invaded?
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Would we have invaded? Of course we would, for the same reason we did, because Bush was mad that Saddam tried to kill his daddy. Should we have done it? Nope, no more than we actually should have. Nothing would have changed.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post

    If we knew the actual nature of Islam I wonder if we woulda or shoulda invaded.

    One unknown aspect of the true nature of Islam is that Muslims are more Muslim than Americans are American, IMHO.

    Another is that Muslims are commanded to make every other religion and form of government ion Earth disappear.

    If we knew that we would not be overwhelmingly greeted as liberators would we have had that humanitarian motive to add to the reasons why we believed we SHOULD have invaded?
    The actual nature of Islam? What exactly would that be? Isis? That is not the actual nature of Islam. That we in the West have had the enormous luck to be growing up in a reasonably enlightened society made us why we are so democratic, sometimes evolved and respectful for a lot of other religions (our religious wars have been fought and the battle is largely over).

    Most Muslims live in countries where people are as uneducated as it humanly possible. The only education they get is either from the Imam or from the equally undemocratic, totally not enlightened rulers. It took "us" in the West centuries to have the enlightened and democratic society we have now. Our educational system has grown throughout the centuries. Our people are (usually) free to think for themselves.

    We cannot expect that Muslims will make this jump from uneducated dumb religious isolated tribal morons to Western society standard citizens. To even think that is absolutely outside of reality. If you have been told for centuries that gays are bad, Jews are evil, Christians are violent oppressors and that Islam is the only path to enlightenment, you will not be swayed by a government put in place by Western powers/forced to adopt more Western morality.

    In two or three generations the situation will have been massively changed, in part because of the internet and people getting to know more people outside of their own very restrictive/conservative societies and getting to realize that there is not so much difference between them and the rest of the world.

    Because of the internet, television, travel and mobile communication the world is getting a lot smaller than it was before. And it is known that closeness often creates new insight into other people.

    Like this story:

    A story about an elderly Jewish lady and her Muslim neighbours who cared - Features - Health & Families - The Independent

    Where an elderly Jewish lady was massively assisted by their devote Muslim neighbors. This is a birthday card they made for her on her 105th birthday

    If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?-img_8261-jpg

    Lily was a Jewish refugee from Germany. She married and lived in London. She had one daughter and that daughter moved to the US. When her husband died, Lily kept living in her house, refusing to move to an old folks home. When she was a young 94 years old, she was pottering in her garden and she met her new neighbors, a Muslim family who adopted her so to speak. Mohammed the father popped in when Lily needed odd jobs in the house or garden or just for a cuppa tea. The mother and the daughters cooked for Lily and visited her daily to make sure she was OK.

    When Lily was near 105 her health changed for the worse, but her devout Muslim neighbors came every morning to wash and clothe her and every evening they came to help her to bed. When Lily was no longer able to manage the stairs, her bed was brought downstairs so that Lily could remain home.

    And the next is from the story above:

    Auntie Lilly died on 26 March 2015. She passed away peacefully in her own home with her daughter beside her. In accordance with Jewish tradition she was buried the next day, in the Jewish burial ground at Bushey in Hertfordshire. Her son-in-law and two grandsons arrived just in time for the funeral, having flown in from America. Lilly’s regular Pakistani minicab driver, Iqbal, picked them up from the airport, took them to Lilly’s house and then to the burial ground. He attended the funeral and refused to take any money for his fare that day.

    At the service were Mohammed and Shamin, he dressed in white tunic and trousers and she in her traditional shalwaar kameez and scarf. Lilly’s Iraqi neighbours also attended, wanting to mark their special relationship too. Traditionally, when the coffin has been lowered into the ground it is customary for the men to take turns in shovelling earth onto it. Mohammed, Iqbal and the Iraqi friend all did so, continuing to give to Lilly in death the same love, honour and respect they had given her in life.
    We must remember that Muslims are people too, and to expect them to treat us as human beings worthy of respect, we must in turn do the same with them.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Honest opinion ?
    Religious fanaticisms : with the Islamic extremists .. and Christian extremisms .. immeasurable .. I a man is willing to put his life on the line , just for some , IMO, silly religion. I must admit, I cannot understand the nature of man ..
    I feel that we should NOT have invaded , NOW, but then, I was in favor of the invasion .
    I believe that only some, maybe all Islamic radicals buy into the forced conversion of all others on this planet .. Our knowledge of people does not seem to be that great , particularly of those in "far away lands .

    One has to observe (man's nature), with a clean mind, but this may be impossible ..

    If we knew that we would not be overwhelmingly greeted as liberators would we have had that humanitarian motive to add to the reasons why we believed we SHOULD have invaded
    Again , impossible to determine this .. Had we conducted a poll before the invasion ....HA! Maybe 0.1% of Iraqis would have sais ..YES! save us .. save us !
    Seriously, what we did, years ago, now, was wrong .. a criminal act ..possibily
    Leave the extremists be .. Over time, they will "get over it" .

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    The actual nature of Islam? What exactly would that be? Isis? That is not the actual nature of Islam. That we in the West have had the enormous luck to be growing up in a reasonably enlightened society made us why we are so democratic, sometimes evolved and respectful for a lot of other religions (our religious wars have been fought and the battle is largely over).

    Most Muslims live in countries where people are as uneducated as it humanly possible. The only education they get is either from the Imam or from the equally undemocratic, totally not enlightened rulers. It took "us" in the West centuries to have the enlightened and democratic society we have now. Our educational system has grown throughout the centuries. Our people are (usually) free to think for themselves.

    We cannot expect that Muslims will make this jump from uneducated dumb religious isolated tribal morons to Western society standard citizens. To even think that is absolutely outside of reality. If you have been told for centuries that gays are bad, Jews are evil, Christians are violent oppressors and that Islam is the only path to enlightenment, you will not be swayed by a government put in place by Western powers/forced to adopt more Western morality.

    In two or three generations the situation will have been massively changed, in part because of the internet and people getting to know more people outside of their own very restrictive/conservative societies and getting to realize that there is not so much difference between them and the rest of the world.

    Because of the internet, television, travel and mobile communication the world is getting a lot smaller than it was before. And it is known that closeness often creates new insight into other people.

    Like this story:

    A story about an elderly Jewish lady and her Muslim neighbours who cared - Features - Health & Families - The Independent

    Where an elderly Jewish lady was massively assisted by their devote Muslim neighbors. This is a birthday card they made for her on her 105th birthday

    If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?-img_8261-jpg

    Lily was a Jewish refugee from Germany. She married and lived in London. She had one daughter and that daughter moved to the US. When her husband died, Lily kept living in her house, refusing to move to an old folks home. When she was a young 94 years old, she was pottering in her garden and she met her new neighbors, a Muslim family who adopted her so to speak. Mohammed the father popped in when Lily needed odd jobs in the house or garden or just for a cuppa tea. The mother and the daughters cooked for Lily and visited her daily to make sure she was OK.

    When Lily was near 105 her health changed for the worse, but her devout Muslim neighbors came every morning to wash and clothe her and every evening they came to help her to bed. When Lily was no longer able to manage the stairs, her bed was brought downstairs so that Lily could remain home.

    And the next is from the story above:



    We must remember that Muslims are people too, and to expect them to treat us as human beings worthy of respect, we must in turn do the same with them.
    Worthy of being read again .. Cannot agree more ..

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Would we have invaded? Yes

    Would we have invaded? No

    Would we have invaded? Maybe

    Would we have invaded? Other


    SHOULD we have invaded? Yes

    SHOULD we have invaded? No

    SHOULD we have invaded? Maybe

    SHOULD we have invaded? Other

    If we knew the actual nature of Islam I wonder if we woulda or shoulda invaded.

    One unknown aspect of the true nature of Islam is that Muslims are more Muslim than Americans are American, IMHO.

    Another is that Muslims are commanded to make every other religion and form of government ion Earth disappear.

    If we knew that we would not be overwhelmingly greeted as liberators would we have had that humanitarian motive to add to the reasons why we believed we SHOULD have invaded?
    The rational for invading Iraq was they wouldn't allow weapons inspectors inspect weapons sites, they shot at our planes who enforced the no fly zone established and there was the threat of WMD's that some claim was based on faulty intelligence.

    Let me say that on another message board, which by the way was quite liberal, I publicly opposed the invasion. I still think it was a bad idea but once the invasion started victory was the only acceptable option.

    Having said that, knowledge of Islam had no impact on the decision to invade the country.
    Last edited by sawdust; 06-07-15 at 10:10 AM.
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