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If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

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Where the hell were you in 2002?

LoL yes I know we gave him an ultimatum and then launched Shock and Awe when he did not comply. That statement was more for completing the strategy I believe we should have used instead of the one we did.
 
Here is how I think about a painful event or experience.

Instead of simply licking my wounds and feeling bad about it, I try to consider it as an expensive tuition payment in advance.

Now, the challenge is to find the lesson or lessons that I have already paid for.

My question for you and anyone reading this, "What was or is the lesson(s)?"

And "What should we do or not do or do differently now that we have paid for this lesson or these lessons?"

How will that tuition enhance our future decision making?

And if you can't figure out the lesson then you threw that money away.

And in this case, money and lives.

We already paid the tuition and then flunked the class in Vietnam. Will the tuition affect future decision making? It didn't the last time. Perhaps the lesson will stick this time around.
 
Your sense of humor is bewildering.

The information in the piece I cited is factual and documented to be true and accurate.

It provides us a pattern, an outline, a framework which we can better recognize what Muslims are doing and how they are doing it right under our noses.

If you find that to be humorous, did you also bust a gut when watching, Schindler's List?

And did you watch it over and over and over on a porn loop.

:thumbdown

The American Thinker is not exactly what I'd call a reliable source.
 
Ignorant about Islam.

Apologist for Islam.

No third option.

Which one best describes you?

:2wave:

Ignorant about Islam? Maybe. I didn't do so just prior to posting but I'm pretty sure I can document everything I've said. Please correct any error I've made and I'll go ahead and apologize in advance as I await.

Apologist for Islam?
I don't think so either. I understand ignorance is bliss and its comfortable to think we did nothing to get us to where we are today. However, as comfortable as it is to some, having our heads stuck in the sand doesn't give us the clarity needed. I was simply pointing of the cause and effect history that has led us to where we are today. This while advocating measures that can bankrupt terrorism instead of permanantly and continualyl enriching terrorists and their media support system as the position so many Americans passionately advocate inadvertantly brings about.
 
You accuse me of "blithely spewing ignorance," then quote the American Thinker?

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That has to be the funniest thing I've read in some time.

You get answers? Well not really answers but you know what i mean

I get this
For one who so stubbornly resists reading the informational texts or viewing the informative videos at Political Islam - Islam's ideology about unbelievers, Kafirs you must be insincerely asking me for a solution.

If you go there and still have questions of me, I will consider your request at that point.

Otherwise I accuse you of merely fishing (trolling?) for 'ammo' to use against me. To further your agenda and not to advance your understanding of Islam nor to find a way to prevent non Muslims from being victimized by it.

And facilitating that is not in my plan.




It must be my cologne???? Do my posts have an odor???
 
You get answers? Well not really answers but you know what i mean

I get this






It must be my cologne???? Do my posts have an odor???

You haven't yet figured out how to impart aromas to the readers. But once you do I will be ready for it with nose clips.
 
We already paid the tuition and then flunked the class in Vietnam. Will the tuition affect future decision making? It didn't the last time. Perhaps the lesson will stick this time around.

You aren't getting the lessons we paid for.

It's like incomplete combustion.

The resultant gases are toxic.
 
Ignorant about Islam? Maybe. I didn't do so just prior to posting but I'm pretty sure I can document everything I've said. Please correct any error I've made and I'll go ahead and apologize in advance as I await.

Here are a few listings about Islam and it's subjection of Women.


Bulletin of the Oppression of Women Oct. 15 – Nov. 19, 2012
Nov 19 2012 | by Bill Warner

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October 15 – November 19, 2012

For more information and articles, go to our web site, Bulletin of the Oppression of Women

October 15, 2012
Mali
A teenaged girl received 60 lashes in Timbuktu after Islamist extremists convicted her of speaking to men on the street.

October 16, 2012
UK (h/t to thereligionofpeace)
A British Muslim, who married his second wife in a secret sharia ceremony, has been sentenced to life in jail for stabbing her to death in a ‘merciless’ attack. Siraj Arif, 31, knifed Saiba Khatoon – who was 19-weeks pregnant – with such ferocity that two of the three kitchen knives he used snapped under the force of the blows in the row over their unborn baby.

October 17, 2012
Egypt
A teacher in southern Egypt punished two 12-year-old schoolgirls for not wearing the Muslim headscarf by cutting their hair, the father of one girl said Wednesday, in an incident that stokes concerns over personal rights following the rise of Islamist political movements.

Afghanistan
Afghan police have arrested four people who allegedly tried to force a woman into prostitution and beheaded her when she refused.

Britain
An FGM study from the British International Journal of Obstetrics and gynecology journal BJOG reports that women who were forced to undergo genital cutting as young girls have a poorer sex life years later.

Bulletin of the Oppression of Women Oct. 15 - Nov. 19, 2012 - Political Islam
 
The problem with blanket dismissals of credible news sources is that it boomerangs and leaves the accuser looking ignorant.

The American Thinker is not a "credible news source." It's not a "news source" at all.
 
If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?
You mean, if we were all Islamophobes who believed the worst about a world religion with over 1 billion adherents, the vast majority of which are quite peaceful?


One unknown aspect of the true nature of Islam is that Muslims are more Muslim than Americans are American, IMHO.
What does that even mean?


Another is that Muslims are commanded to make every other religion and form of government ion Earth disappear.
Christians want to convert everyone to Christianity. Americans want every government to be an American-style democracy. Sound familiar?


If we knew that we would not be overwhelmingly greeted as liberators would we have had that humanitarian motive to add to the reasons why we believed we SHOULD have invaded?
Bush 43 and his buddies wanted to invade. They grabbed every possible rationalization, excuse, and trumped-up bit of evidence to convince the American public to get on board with the invasion. Did you really fall for the idea that the Iraqis wanted their sovereignty violated by a foreign invader, who had a long history of supporting dictatorships in the Middle East and elsewhere (including Shah Reza in Iran and the Saudis)...?
 
The American Thinker is not a "credible news source." It's not a "news source" at all.

No news source is a news source unless you read it or watch it and pay attention.

Do you?

have you?

If so, then find what is untrue about this article.

You can't.

So why don't you just sit down and stop talking about things that are over your head?
 
So, you can readily refute the article in focus.

The Five Stages of Islam

Articles: The Five Stages of Islam

You have our attention.

Go.

From the biased article:

Muslims are conciliatory, deferential but request harmless special treatment (foot bath facilities, removal/elimination of that which is offensive to delicate Muslim sensibilities - like walking dogs near Mosques).


Muslims have a problem with dogs? I had no idea. Well, obviously, if all Muslims are on board with the "five stages", then it follows that they all have the same "delicate sensibilities." Is that true?

The fact is that the issue of whether or not it is permissable to keep dogs as pets, or to keep them in the house is complicated. There are not only many different religious interpretations about this, but also many different cultural norms among Muslims from different countries. So, it is an Islamic issue, and also a cultural issue, and in this particular case also a health issue.

There are Muslims who keep dogs, and Muslims who don’t. Both have strong opinions, and it is a hotly debated issue. This episode of All-American Muslim was discussed within the Muslim community.

source

Apparently not.

So, as is to be expected, it doesn't take long to find errors in a publication that has an agenda. Therefore, the wise thing to do is to dismiss that sort of source.
 
You mean, if we were all Islamophobes who believed the worst about a world religion with over 1 billion adherents, the vast majority of which are quite peaceful?

I am saying that Muslims will be more likely to follow the doctrine of Islam than they would and do our Kafir ideology and our non believer forces and our backing of their Democratic government, which is antithetical to the teachings of Islam.

And if you know anything about Islam you will recognize that I am telling the truth.

Here's a clue as to why the US efforts are doomed to failure if we rely on the Iraqis or any Muslims to perform as we hope they will.

Why don’t Muslims denounce the terrorists?

Islam is harsh on ‘hypocrites’ (munafiqoon in Arabic). Munafiqs are ‘moderate Muslims’. They give only lip service to Islam. Mohammed wanted to burn the munafiqs to death in their homes for not participating in prayers or jihad.

Nonetheless, participate or not, they must not hinder jihad by thought, word or deed. Islam’s ‘munafiqs’ sit back and look the other way, while jihadists fight the Kafirs and subdue them. When a munafiq helps Kafirs during jihad, he becomes a traitor to Islam; he is considered to be a Kafir at war with Islam, so jihadists may kill him too.

When jihad comes, a munafiq is not neutral. He is on the side of jihad, rather than on the side of Kafirs. A munafiq is silent when the jihadists knock on their non-Muslim neighbor’s door. The reason for this silence is in the Koran (28.86) ‘never be a supporter of the disbelievers’.

When The Jihad Comes, Whose Side Will You Be On? - Political Islam

And when a true Islamic force opposes those fighting with, for or alongside non believers they will usually side with the Islamic forces unless the non believers are obviously more powerful.

This means that the success of our efforts was never a certainty if we expected them to create a non Islamic government. (Jahiliyyah)

And with the Iraqi Army fleeing before the ISIS forces we have all the evidence we need to know that we have been trying to piss up a rope.

It won't happen.
 
From the biased article:

Muslims have a problem with dogs? I had no idea. Well, obviously, if all Muslims are on board with the "five stages", then it follows that they all have the same "delicate sensibilities." Is that true?

source

Apparently not.

So, as is to be expected, it doesn't take long to find errors in a publication that has an agenda. Therefore, the wise thing to do is to dismiss that sort of source.

Wow. Unbelievable.

How did you you come to have such masterful analytical skills?
 
Taz said:
One unknown aspect of the true nature of Islam is that Muslims are more Muslim than Americans are American, IMHO.

What does that even mean?

It means that Muslims are more committed to Islam than we Americans, on average, are committed to almost anything except "Dancing With the Stars."
 
Thanks. It's beyond horrific how they treat their mothers, sisters and daughters.

Well, I perceive you differently now than a moment ago.

A good thing.

:)

Do you know that Islam does not believe in the Golden Rule?

And that is shown in Islam's system of inequality.
Lest us return to the issue of equality.

The idea is unacceptable to Islam.

For the non-believer cannot be the equal of the believer.

Even among the believers only those who subscribe to the three so-called Abrahamic religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam ( Ahl el-Kitab) are regarded as fully human.

Here is the hierarchy of human worth in Islam:

At the summit are free male Muslims

Next come Muslim male slaves

Then come free Muslim women

Next come Muslim slave women.

Then come free Jewish and /or Christian men

Then come slave Jewish and/or Christian men

Then come slave Jewish and/or Christian women.

Each category has rights that must be respected.

The People of the Book have always been protected and relatively well-treated by Muslim rulers, but often in the context of a form of apartheid known as dhimmitude.

The status of the rest of humanity, those whose faiths are not recognised by Islam or who have no faith at all, has never been spelled out although wherever Muslim rulers faced such communities they often treated them with a certain measure of tolerance and respect ( As in the case of Hindus under the Muslim dynasties of India.)

Non-Muslims can, and have often been, treated with decency, but never as equals.

(There is a hierarchy even for animals and plants. Seven animals and seven plants will assuredly go to heaven while seven others of each will end up in Hell.)

Democracy means the rule of the demos, the common people, or what is now known as popular or national sovereignty.

In Islam, however, power belongs only to God: al-hukm l'illah. The man who exercises that power on earth is known as Khalifat al-Allah, the regent of God.

But even then the Khalifah or Caliph cannot act as legislator. The law has already been spelled out and fixed for ever by God.

The only task that remains is its discovery, interpretation and application.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1138942/posts
 
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Well, I perceive you differently now than a moment ago.

A good thing.

:)

Do you know that Islam does not believe in the Golden Rule?

And that is shown in Islam's system of inequality.


Amir Taheri: "Islam Is Incompatible With Democracy"

Never thought about it but makes sense. I also heard the word "love" is not a part of it.

I don't want to bash Islam. It is what it is and to be honest, much of the problem areas are more cultural nuances of the Middle East and are not official a part of their faith. Many Muslims in the west do not support the atrocities of the Middle East. That said, the western economy is presently interwoven in the Middle East. Due to the NEEDLESS monopoly oil presently holds over personal transportation, we are forced to hold our economy and freedoms directly and indirectly at the mercy of a society that by and large hates us. Let's be honest, we are crackheads and oil us our crack. The Middle East is our crack dealer. There is fault to find on all sides. Opening up our own crack house here in the suburbs so to speak is not the solution, mainly because it ensures there will be a global market for crack at high funding levels (oil.)

What we need to do is to support transportation that does not require their oil, our our, Russia's oil, or anybody else's oil. Plugin electric cars presently offer the best viability to that imperative.
 
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