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  • Would we have invaded? Maybe

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  • SHOULD we have invaded? Yes

    4 16.67%
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    America has no business whatsoever invading countries for any reason other then a) they are going to attack America; b) they are committing huge acts of genocide; c) on a UN Security Council mandate.

    None of those applied to Iraqi Freedom.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    We never had anything resembling a good plan going into Iraq that I have ever heard.
    Oh, sure, the plan was that we'd be greeted as liberators, the war would be paid for by Iraqi oil, and the whole thing would be over in six weeks (or less).

    That was the plan, according to Rumsfeld.
    "Those were lies, pure and simple."

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    There was no reason to invade.
    Absolute bottom line.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, sure, the plan was that we'd be greeted as liberators, the war would be paid for by Iraqi oil, and the whole thing would be over in six weeks (or less).

    That was the plan, according to Rumsfeld.
    he said "GOOD" plan. While fiction is fun, it's not always good for a real life plan.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    You are suggesting the U.S. engage in deliberate, targeted assassinations of foreign leaders. For very good reasons going back to Roman times the U.S. and most first world nations do not do that.
    What do you think we were doing during Shock and Awe? We intentionally hit Saddams palaces in an attempt to kill him.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, sure, the plan was that we'd be greeted as liberators, the war would be paid for by Iraqi oil, and the whole thing would be over in six weeks (or less).

    That was the plan, according to Rumsfeld.
    I stand by my previous statement. Emphasis on the "GOOD PLAN" part.

    We never had anything resembling a good plan going into Iraq that I have ever heard.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Cheney knew what would happen, but chose to invade anyways.



    "Q: Do you think the U.S., or U.N. forces, should have moved into Baghdad?

    A: No.

    Q: Why not?

    A: Because if we'd gone to Baghdad we would have been all alone. There wouldn't have been anybody else with us. There would have been a U.S. occupation of Iraq. None of the Arab forces that were willing to fight with us in Kuwait were willing to invade Iraq.

    Once you got to Iraq and took it over, took down Saddam Hussein's government, then what are you going to put in its place? That's a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government of Iraq, you could very easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off: part of it, the Syrians would like to have to the west, part of it -- eastern Iraq -- the Iranians would like to claim, they fought over it for eight years. In the north you've got the Kurds, and if the Kurds spin loose and join with the Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey.

    It's a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq.

    The other thing was casualties. Everyone was impressed with the fact we were able to do our job with as few casualties as we had. But for the 146 Americans killed in action, and for their families -- it wasn't a cheap war. And the question for the president, in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad, took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein, was how many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth?

    Our judgment was, not very many, and I think we got it right."
    Cheney Warns of Iraq Quagmire ... in 1994 | Mother Jones

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    "I think for us to get American military personnel involved in a civil war inside Iraq would literally be a quagmire. Once we got to Baghdad, what would we do? Who would we put in power? What kind of government would we have? Would it be a Sunni government, a Shi’a government, a Kurdish government? Would it be secular, along the lines of the Ba’ath Party? Would it be fundamentalist Islamic? I do not think the United States wants to have U.S. military forces accept casualties and accept the responsibility of trying to govern Iraq. I think it makes no sense at all."
    April 7, 1991 Cheney on ABC news’s This Week
    When Dick Cheney told the truth about Iraq - Salon.com
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Would we have invaded? Yes

    Would we have invaded? No

    Would we have invaded? Maybe

    Would we have invaded? Other


    SHOULD we have invaded? Yes

    SHOULD we have invaded? No

    SHOULD we have invaded? Maybe

    SHOULD we have invaded? Other

    If we knew the actual nature of Islam I wonder if we woulda or shoulda invaded.

    One unknown aspect of the true nature of Islam is that Muslims are more Muslim than Americans are American, IMHO.

    Another is that Muslims are commanded to make every other religion and form of government ion Earth disappear.

    If we knew that we would not be overwhelmingly greeted as liberators would we have had that humanitarian motive to add to the reasons why we believed we SHOULD have invaded?
    What are you even asking? What does this statement even mean: "One unknown aspect of the true nature of Islam is that Muslims are more Muslim than Americans are American" ?
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Cheney knew what would happen, but chose to invade anyways.



    "Q: Do you think the U.S., or U.N. forces, should have moved into Baghdad?

    A: No.

    Q: Why not?

    A: Because if we'd gone to Baghdad we would have been all alone. There wouldn't have been anybody else with us. There would have been a U.S. occupation of Iraq. None of the Arab forces that were willing to fight with us in Kuwait were willing to invade Iraq.

    Once you got to Iraq and took it over, took down Saddam Hussein's government, then what are you going to put in its place? That's a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government of Iraq, you could very easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off: part of it, the Syrians would like to have to the west, part of it -- eastern Iraq -- the Iranians would like to claim, they fought over it for eight years. In the north you've got the Kurds, and if the Kurds spin loose and join with the Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey.

    It's a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq.

    The other thing was casualties. Everyone was impressed with the fact we were able to do our job with as few casualties as we had. But for the 146 Americans killed in action, and for their families -- it wasn't a cheap war. And the question for the president, in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad, took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein, was how many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth?

    Our judgment was, not very many, and I think we got it right."
    Cheney Warns of Iraq Quagmire ... in 1994 | Mother Jones

    also

    "I think for us to get American military personnel involved in a civil war inside Iraq would literally be a quagmire. Once we got to Baghdad, what would we do? Who would we put in power? What kind of government would we have? Would it be a Sunni government, a Shi’a government, a Kurdish government? Would it be secular, along the lines of the Ba’ath Party? Would it be fundamentalist Islamic? I do not think the United States wants to have U.S. military forces accept casualties and accept the responsibility of trying to govern Iraq. I think it makes no sense at all."
    April 7, 1991 Cheney on ABC news’s This Week
    When Dick Cheney told the truth about Iraq - Salon.com
    He had it right back in '94. So, what happened? Did senility set in or something?
    "Those were lies, pure and simple."

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    What do you think we were doing during Shock and Awe? We intentionally hit Saddams palaces in an attempt to kill him.
    Yes. But that is widely considered different. Destroying command and control centers.

    Notice that we never came close to killing Saddam Hussein either.

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