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    9 37.50%
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  • SHOULD we have invaded? Yes

    4 16.67%
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The whole story is that humans have been slaughtering each other over religion ever since there were humans on Earth.

    And, it's not likely to stop any time soon.

    And, the idea of a war between the 1.5 or so billion Muslims and the billion or so Christians that are now living on the Earth is beyond scary.
    And the hundred million people killed under atheist rule means nothing I guess

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Really? Do you remember how in the First Crusade, the crusaders in Jerusalem locked up the Jews in their synagogue and burned it down with them inside, alive?

    Thing is, when those Jews were living there under Muslim rule, they were ALIVE. Not so much after the crusaders arrived, though....
    And whose killing Jews now? Christians or Muslims? Whose holy book commands to kill Jews? The New Testament or the Quran?

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JFish123 View Post
    And whose killing Jews now? Christians or Muslims? Whose holy book commands to kill Jews? The New Testament or the Quran?
    But that's what you're not understanding about religion - if they are truly God's people, then killing innocent people 1000 years ago is just as bad - just as damning - as killing innocent people today.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JFish123 View Post
    And the hundred million people killed under atheist rule means nothing I guess
    Religion is not the only motivator, of course. It's just one of several.

    Humankind is showing no signs of quitting slaughtering each other any time in the near future.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    Our respective points are made.
    I need to stand corrected. Natural gas has gotten very popular with power plants since I last checked. However, petroleum to generate electricity is still minimal and if we get behind electric cars we could bankrupt the terrorists. Unfortunately, we'd rather dig our heels in against each other not wanting the other side to feel they've gotten any victory with our help over climate change so we passionately defend policies that guarantee the viability of the only natural resource the people who want us dead have by being as committed to is as they are when we have the ability right to to deflate petroleum's global value.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JFish123 View Post
    And whose killing Jews now? Christians or Muslims? Whose holy book commands to kill Jews? The New Testament or the Quran?
    Good point!

    I have always wondered how non Muslims could so conveniently look past the murderous bigotry aimed at Jews by Muslims.

    It's like if the KKK marched down the street most (especially Atheists and Liberals) would be outraged and screaming in protest.

    But when Muslims actually kill Jews and Christians, the hypocritical loony Leftists turn a blind eye and defend the Islamic bigotry.

    It all has to do with being socially compromised or co-opted or leveraged or something.

    If you are "FRIENDS" with a murderer it makes everything they've done okay or at least more easily ignored and given a free pass.

    That is crazy.

    No wonder they consider us sheeple.

    We have the sense of sheep.

    Maybe less.


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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I need to stand corrected. Natural gas has gotten very popular with power plants since I last checked. However, petroleum to generate electricity is still minimal and if we get behind electric cars we could bankrupt the terrorists. Unfortunately, we'd rather dig our heels in against each other not wanting the other side to feel they've gotten any victory with our help over climate change so we passionately defend policies that guarantee the viability of the only natural resource the people who want us dead have by being as committed to is as they are when we have the ability right to to deflate petroleum's global value.

    If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?-sd_02f-jpg

    Middle Eastern oil will not last forever. Those dependent upon it for wealth have realized it for a long time and have been trying to find new ways of supporting their nations, economies, and personal lifestyles. Whatever else ISIS and fundamentalist Muslims, (the truest followers of Mohammed) are, they are not stupid.

    And their jihad will not be stopped by the abundance or the lack of oil.

    Not to say that we shouldn't wean ALL of the world from oil as soon as possible, it won't happen in our lifetimes.

    And no matter what, and no matter how long it takes, Jihad will continue.


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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Religion is not the only motivator, of course. It's just one of several.

    Humankind is showing no signs of quitting slaughtering each other any time in the near future.
    Do you see, or do you CARE to see, the difference between indiscriminate slaughter and slaughter with a goal of achieving mastery over all of mankind?

    Slaughter is slaughter only if you are slaughtered.

    If you survive indiscriminate slaughter you will still be free.

    If you survive Islamic slaughter and Islam emerges victorious you will be a 3rd class citizen.

    Like a slave was in the Antebellum Southern United States.

    Let's see.

    Slave?

    Die resisting captivity.

    Conversion?

    Most would likely convert.

    And the elimination of all Kafirs will continue until their are only Muslims left.

    And that is your religion of peace.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    But that's what you're not understanding about religion - if they are truly God's people, then killing innocent people 1000 years ago is just as bad - just as damning - as killing innocent people today.


    That is a bizarre way of looking at how and why Islam should be resisted by today's non Muslims.

    No one is going to get into a time machine to go back to those times to live.

    So most rational people concern themselves with the now and maybe the hereafter.

    Stick to reality, okay?

    You'll get better traction, I think.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    Middle Eastern oil will not last forever. Those dependent upon it for wealth have realized it for a long time and have been trying to find new ways of supporting their nations, economies, and personal lifestyles. Whatever else ISIS and fundamentalist Muslims, (the truest followers of Mohammed) are, they are not stupid.

    And their jihad will not be stopped by the abundance or the lack of oil.

    Not to say that we shouldn't wean ALL of the world from oil as soon as possible, it won't happen in our lifetimes.

    And no matter what, and no matter how long it takes, Jihad will continue.

    You make an excellent point. Oil will not last forever. At one time Pennsylvania and Ohio were the world's richest oil reserves but we burned it all up. Sobereringly, there are in fact things only oil can provide: pharmaceuticals, fertilizers, and jet fuel are just a few. We are on a path to burn ever drop of petroleum up as quickly as possible leaving future generations without a drop of it left. Meanwhile nuclear armed superpowers are jockeying now to position themselves to control the last remaining oil reserves there are. Russia, for example, recently claimed the oil under the North Pole as their sovereign territory despite being in international waters. Who know what that could lead to 20 years from now if we refuse to diversify the world's transportation energy options.
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