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  • Would we have invaded? Yes

    9 37.50%
  • Would we have invaded? No

    1 4.17%
  • Would we have invaded? Maybe

    1 4.17%
  • Would we have invaded? Other

    0 0%
  • SHOULD we have invaded? Yes

    4 16.67%
  • SHOULD we have invaded? No

    18 75.00%
  • SHOULD we have invaded? Maybe

    1 4.17%
  • SHOULD we have invaded? Other

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    I find that TIT4TAT type of rationalization is very common among pro Muslim posters.

    Why would that be?

    And your mention of the Crusades means you haven't yet watched this video. If you had you would never bring up the Crusades.
    Really? Do you remember how in the First Crusade, the crusaders in Jerusalem locked up the Jews in their synagogue and burned it down with them inside, alive?

    Thing is, when those Jews were living there under Muslim rule, they were ALIVE. Not so much after the crusaders arrived, though....
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Really? Do you remember how in the First Crusade, the crusaders in Jerusalem locked up the Jews in their synagogue and burned it down with them inside, alive?

    Thing is, when those Jews were living there under Muslim rule, they were ALIVE. Not so much after the crusaders arrived, though....
    Tell the WHOLE story.

    Or should I say, "the REST of the story."

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    Look around you and list one thing that is not produced, made to operate, is kept preserved/stored, or is brought to you without the use of oil.

    One thing.

    The electric car, for example is made in a factory which runs on...

    And uses materials made from...

    And the materials are brought to the factory care of...

    And delivered to your showroom because of...

    And the electricity it uses is produced by...

    And the electric motors that power the electricity production would stop if not for...

    And the commercial transportation of goods can't be done yet without oil.

    Oil will continue to be the developing and developed world's life blood.

    While that remains so, we, as you say, must develop alternative sources and make them cheaper and more abundant and convenient.

    But in the mean time...

    EDIT: Oh, and anyone who tries to bring up Hydrogen, just tell them it costs more to produce/refine than it delivers in savings. That will stop them in their tracks.
    The electric car, for example is made in a factory which runs on...

    I'm assuming you mean electricity. America uses around 2% of oil to power electric power plants. I'll show you the charts when I get a minute. Coal and some nuclear and a little bit of hydro and other sources powers the factory where the electric car is made. None of it finances ISIS, Al Qeada, dictatorships that control the American economy or middle eastern propaganda outlet posing as media that inspire new terrorist recruits. ...except maybe less than 1% if that.

    And uses materials made from...

    Plastics are deprived from oil but nowhere near the amount needed to fuel an internal combustion engine car over its lifetime.

    And the materials are brought to the factory care of...

    Oil. I'd like to see that changed and it will in time. How soon will depend on how successful I am in getting friends like you to see that we have other options that don't harm America's security.

    And delivered to your showroom because of...

    See above

    And the electricity it uses is produced by...

    Mostly coal from America. The Middle East doesn't have any.

    And the electric motors that power the electricity production would stop if not for...

    Coal

    And the commercial transportation of goods can't be done yet without oil.


    Depending. Trains run on coal and electricity. That industry realized a long time ago its more efficient and cost effective NOT to use gasoline to run trains. Since they create their own products, not beholden to the auto industry, they pursued that path. The American public, on the other hand cannot manufacture their own cars. The auto industry makes a ton of money on the outdated internal combustion engine because its design causes it to eventually destroy itself waaaay faster than what they could offer in electric cars forcing you to buy a new one every several years or so. In the meantime they by their own reports get to make 40% of their annual profits on replacements parts and the dealerships get to make more than half of their profits from their service departments, not sales.

    Oil will continue to be the developing and developed world's life blood.

    I hope not.

    While that remains so, we, as you say, must develop alternative sources and make them cheaper and more abundant and convenient.

    But in the mean time...
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    Tell the WHOLE story.

    Or should I say, "the REST of the story."
    The whole story is that humans have been slaughtering each other over religion ever since there were humans on Earth.

    And, it's not likely to stop any time soon.

    And, the idea of a war between the 1.5 or so billion Muslims and the billion or so Christians that are now living on the Earth is beyond scary.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    Tell the WHOLE story.

    Or should I say, "the REST of the story."
    Please, feel free - go right on ahead!
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    What are you trying to urge me to say?
    No urges on my part. Do you have urges????
    How would US citizens, Muslim religion be addressed?
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    The electric car, for example is made in a factory which runs on...

    I'm assuming you mean electricity. America uses around 2% of oil to power electric power plants. I'll show you the charts when I get a minute. Coal and some nuclear and a little bit of hydro and other sources powers the factory where the electric car is made. None of it finances ISIS, Al Qeada, dictatorships that control the American economy or middle eastern propaganda outlet posing as media that inspire new terrorist recruits. ...except maybe less than 1% if that.

    And uses materials made from...

    Plastics are deprived from oil but nowhere near the amount needed to fuel an internal combustion engine car over its lifetime.

    And the materials are brought to the factory care of...

    Oil. I'd like to see that changed and it will in time. How soon will depend on how successful I am in getting friends like you to see that we have other options that don't harm America's security.

    And delivered to your showroom because of...

    See above

    And the electricity it uses is produced by...

    Mostly coal from America. The Middle East doesn't have any.

    And the electric motors that power the electricity production would stop if not for...

    Coal

    And the commercial transportation of goods can't be done yet without oil.


    Depending. Trains run on coal and electricity. That industry realized a long time ago its more efficient and cost effective NOT to use gasoline to run trains. Since they create their own products, not beholden to the auto industry, they pursued that path. The American public, on the other hand cannot manufacture their own cars. The auto industry makes a ton of money on the outdated internal combustion engine because its design causes it to eventually destroy itself waaaay faster than what they could offer in electric cars forcing you to buy a new one every several years or so. In the meantime they by their own reports get to make 40% of their annual profits on replacements parts and the dealerships get to make more than half of their profits from their service departments, not sales.

    Oil will continue to be the developing and developed world's life blood.

    I hope not.

    While that remains so, we, as you say, must develop alternative sources and make them cheaper and more abundant and convenient.

    But in the mean time...
    Our respective points are made.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    No urges on my part. Do you have urges????
    How would US citizens, Muslim religion be addressed?
    Ask the Postmaster.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The whole story is that humans have been slaughtering each other over religion ever since there were humans on Earth.

    And, it's not likely to stop any time soon.

    And, the idea of a war between the 1.5 or so billion Muslims and the billion or so Christians that are now living on the Earth is beyond scary.
    The plan is to use minimal violence, from what I understand.

    The Muslim Brotherhood's Strategic Plan For America - Court Document

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    The following is the official document from a 1991 meeting which outlines the Muslim Brotherhood's strategic goals for North America. The document was entered as evidence in the 2008 Holyland Terror Funding Trial. Federal investigators found the document in the home of Ismael Elbarasse, a founder of the Dar Al-Hijrah mosque in Falls Church, Virginia, during a 2004 search. Elbarasse was a member of the Palestine Committee, which the Muslim Brotherhood had created to support Hamas in the United States.

    The original document in Arabic follows the English translation.

    We have highlighted in yellow the following quotes which are of particular significance. The page numbers noted below correspond to the page numbers in the center of the bottom of each page in the document).
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    Ask the Postmaster.
    No, asking you.
    Your thread. Have an issue with answering the question?
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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