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  • Would we have invaded? Yes

    9 37.50%
  • Would we have invaded? No

    1 4.17%
  • Would we have invaded? Maybe

    1 4.17%
  • Would we have invaded? Other

    0 0%
  • SHOULD we have invaded? Yes

    4 16.67%
  • SHOULD we have invaded? No

    18 75.00%
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Now you classify me as a traitor to my country.
    Did you ever serve your country in a capacity where you willingly accept unlimited liability?
    What are you doing in a thread directed at Americans?


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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    This is an international board. Your peculiar take on reality is on view to the world.
    Don't work out, work in.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I know - I was just being facetious. The conservatives' Islamophobia just makes me want to get into their faces and scream about their ignorance and rank hypocrisy. Personally, I felt a heck of a lot safer walking down the street in Dubai than I do in downtown Seattle...and Seattle's a fairly safe city, as far as America goes....
    It doesn't matter how loud you scream behind your keyboard, I still won't hear you.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    This is an international board. Your peculiar take on reality is on view to the world.
    Good for them to know that we aren't all sheeple.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I know - I was just being facetious. The conservatives' Islamophobia just makes me want to get into their faces and scream about their ignorance and rank hypocrisy. Personally, I felt a heck of a lot safer walking down the street in Dubai than I do in downtown Seattle...and Seattle's a fairly safe city, as far as America goes....
    Some take well to 3rd class citizenship.

    I don't suppose you value equality, do you?

    Neither does Islam.

    Lest us return to the issue of equality.

    The idea is unacceptable to Islam.

    For the non-believer cannot be the equal of the believer.

    Even among the believers only those who subscribe to the three so-called Abrahamic religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam ( Ahl el-Kitab) are regarded as fully human.

    Here is the hierarchy of human worth in Islam:

    At the summit are free male Muslims

    Next come Muslim male slaves

    Then come free Muslim women

    Next come Muslim slave women.

    Then come free Jewish and /or Christian men

    Then come slave Jewish and/or Christian men

    Then come slave Jewish and/or Christian women.

    Each category has rights that must be respected.

    The People of the Book have always been protected and relatively well-treated by Muslim rulers, but often in the context of a form of apartheid known as dhimmitude.

    The status of the rest of humanity, those whose faiths are not recognised by Islam or who have no faith at all, has never been spelled out although wherever Muslim rulers faced such communities they often treated them with a certain measure of tolerance and respect ( As in the case of Hindus under the Muslim dynasties of India.)

    Non-Muslims can, and have often been, treated with decency, but never as equals.

    (There is a hierarchy even for animals and plants. Seven animals and seven plants will assuredly go to heaven while seven others of each will end up in Hell.)
    Amir Taheri: "Islam Is Incompatible With Democracy"

    And you must also know that the messy part of Islamization is at the beginning.

    After the fighting is done and Islamic rule is imposed things are pretty tranquil.

    From what I hear.



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    Every religion is better than Islam, and so is atheism. Here are three reasons:

    1. All religions, except Islam, have the Golden Rule as an ethical cornerstone. Instead Islam has a dualistic ethical code.

    2. In Islam, the Sharia demands that all humanity submit to Islamic customs and law.

    3. The only religion that can kill apostates is Islam. Leaving Islam is a capital crime under the Sharia.

    Some say that all religions are the same. But, from these reasons, we can see that Islam is inferior to all others.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    I'm bemused by the allusion to oil as America's version of "Crack" cocaine.

    As though oil was unnecessary for life or that it is a bad thing.

    We need it like we need nothing else save, food, water, air and protection from natural hazards.

    Without oil we would be plunged into darkness and forced to try to exist in a pre-1860 lifestyle which our adversaries, who are sworn to defeat us, currently thrive.

    We would be novices and at their mercy, were it ever to come to that.

    And that is what they are planning for us in the US, to take away our technological advantages and leave us to try to exist on that level.

    They would have the advantage then.

    But about your post.

    We are on our way to producing more oil than any other nation on Earth, what with new reserves having been discovered in the USA and the use of fracking techniques.

    And for a long time now our consumption has primarily been supplied by NON Middle Eastern sources. We get only a fraction of our needs from the M.E.

    However, our TRADING PARTNERS absolutely depend on an undisturbed flow of oil from the Gulf region.

    And THAT is just ONE of the very, very, very good reasons for the invasion. We were able to guarantee our trading partners around the globe, an uninterrupted supply of oil and that kept US in business and able to live life as we know it and like it.

    And while were in the neighborhood of alternative fuel, I saw a Toyota online ad which made me laugh contemptuously at their trying to see how many shum dits would get excited about their Hydrogen Fuel research.

    It is amazing the nerve they have!

    Hydrogen takes more energy to produce than it delivers in the final end product.

    That's like getting excited at a machine which delivers an never ending supply of one dollar bills as long as you keep feeding it five dollar bills.

    Yay?

    bemused by the allusion to oil as America's version of "Crack" cocaine.

    As though oil was unnecessary for life or that it is a bad thing.

    We need it like we need nothing else save, food, water, air and protection from natural hazards
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    I cannot fault people for being unaware but we don't need oil to the extent we are dependent on it. That's like saying we need "health INSURANCE." People who think this, including the Pesident, are so stuck how we've always done it, they cannot imagine it possible for it to be done any other way. We don't need health insurance, we need access to medical services and treatment. In my opinion, the fewer middle men as possible taking their cut and jacking up the costs, the better. Likewise, we don't need anywhere near as much oil as we use, although it's dishonest to say we don't need any oil. What we need is transportation. Transportation WITHOUT oil is possible and viable. What's even more exciting is the more we use the technology at its present levels of development; the cell phone, PC, hdtv, etc., have shown us, the more advanced and less expensive the technology becomes. Ignoring what we have now, refusing to use it while we "wait for it to catch up" means it will never catch up because there's nothing driving (free pun) advancements or driving down costs.

    That said, right now people can get a brand new plug-in electric car. That' seats 5, gets a 100 mile range between charges at night, gets a top speed of 80 mph, needs hardly no maintance, uses the equalvalent of about $1 a gallon in gas seen in a slightly higher electric bill and uses no gasoline whatsoever for $200.00 a month.

    Another thing people generally are oblivious to is there have been concerted efforts over almost a half a century to squash any competition to oil as the monopoly transportation energy by those with vested interests in the status quo.

    I'll be the first to say we will continue to need oil for aviation, plastics, pharmaceuticals, fertilizer, etc. We do not NEED oil for personal transportation and the more we use plug-in electric cars, the better, bigger, faster and cheaper they will get. And nobody will be forced to finance Isis and middle eastern nuclear poliferation.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    Kafir. Apologist Muslim or Kafir. Lying Jihadist.

    You tell us.
    Matters not what I tell you, you are of a single mind.
    Muslims are the enemy not some, but each and everyone.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    What are you doing in a thread directed at Americans?

    I suggest that you take that up with the Mods and who ever owns the Site.
    Are non Americans now restricted on this board? Nope.
    If my post offends you, I deeply Apple-O-Jize.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    bemused by the allusion to oil as America's version of "Crack" cocaine.

    As though oil was unnecessary for life or that it is a bad thing.

    We need it like we need nothing else save, food, water, air and protection from natural hazards
    .

    I cannot fault people for being unaware but we don't need oil to the extent we are dependent on it. That's like saying we need "health INSURANCE." People who think this, including the Pesident, are so stuck how we've always done it, they cannot imagine it possible for it to be done any other way. We don't need health insurance, we need access to medical services and treatment. In my opinion, the fewer middle men as possible taking their cut and jacking up the costs, the better. Likewise, we don't need anywhere near as much oil as we use, although it's dishonest to say we don't need any oil. What we need is transportation. Transportation WITHOUT oil is possible and viable. What's even more exciting is the more we use the technology at its present levels of development; the cell phone, PC, hdtv, etc., have shown us, the more advanced and less expensive the technology becomes. Ignoring what we have now, refusing to use it while we "wait for it to catch up" means it will never catch up because there's nothing driving (free pun) advancements or driving down costs.

    That said, right now people can get a brand new plug-in electric car. That' seats 5, gets a 100 mile range between charges at night, gets a top speed of 80 mph, needs hardly no maintance, uses the equalvalent of about $1 a gallon in gas seen in a slightly higher electric bill and uses no gasoline whatsoever for $200.00 a month.

    Another thing people generally are oblivious to is there have been concerted efforts over almost a half a century to squash any competition to oil as the monopoly transportation energy by those with vested interests in the status quo.

    I'll be the first to say we will continue to need oil for aviation, plastics, pharmaceuticals, fertilizer, etc. We do not NEED oil for personal transportation and the more we use plug-in electric cars, the better, bigger, faster and cheaper they will get. And nobody will be forced to finance Isis and middle eastern nuclear poliferation.
    Look around you and list one thing that is not produced, made to operate, is kept preserved/stored, or is brought to you without the use of oil.

    One thing.

    The electric car, for example is made in a factory which runs on...

    And uses materials made from...

    And the materials are brought to the factory care of...

    And delivered to your showroom because of...

    And the electricity it uses is produced by...

    And the electric motors that power the electricity production would stop if not for...

    And the commercial transportation of goods can't be done yet without oil.

    Oil will continue to be the developing and developed world's life blood.

    While that remains so, we, as you say, must develop alternative sources and make them cheaper and more abundant and convenient.

    But in the mean time...

    EDIT: Oh, and anyone who tries to bring up Hydrogen, just tell them it costs more to produce/refine than it delivers in savings. That will stop them in their tracks.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    Look around you and list one thing that is not produced, made to operate, is kept preserved/stored, or is brought to you without the use of oil.

    One thing.

    The elcetric car, for example is made in a factory which runs on...

    And uses materials made from...

    And the materials are brought to the factory care of...

    And delivered to your showroom because of...

    And the electricity it uses is produced by...

    And the electric motors that power the electricity production would stop if not for...

    And the commercial transportation of goods can't be done yet without oil.

    Oil will continue to be the developing and developed world's life blood.

    While that remains so, we, as you say, must develop alternative sources and make them cheaper and more abundant and convenient.

    But in the mean time...
    Wow, first completely rational post I've seen from you. Well done.
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