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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    (From your perspective)Is there such a thing as a good Muslim?
    There are probably a great many who might be "Good."

    But Islam is NOT why they are good.

    They are good IN SPITE OF ISLAM.

    How can I say that?

    Because I know what the Koran, Sira and Hadith say.

    And apparently you don't, or you hope we don't.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    There are probably a great many who might be "Good."

    But Islam is NOT why they are good.

    They are good IN SPITE OF ISLAM.

    How can I say that?

    Because I know what the Koran, Sira and Hadith say.

    And apparently you don't, or you hope we don't.
    Now Muslims in NA and the EU, what is your opinion on those.
    Many serve their countries, from Police to the Military.
    Many have turned on fanatics and turned in terror suspects and had no hesitation in doing that.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Now Muslims in NA and the EU, what is your opinion on those.
    Many serve their countries, from Police to the Military.
    Many have turned on fanatics and turned in terror suspects and had no hesitation in doing that.
    Let's turn your question around in a way which will be far more enlightening than finding out what I believe.

    What would Mohammed say, think, feel and do about these Muslims?

    If you don't already know the answer, here's a source I invite you to try.

    Political Islam - Islam's ideology about unbelievers, Kafirs

    Some interesting commentaries based on the Trilogy.

    When The Jihad Comes, Whose Side Will You Be On?
    Oct 19 2013 | by Bill Warner

    by Kenneth Roberts, Associate Writer

    There’s good reason to ask this question to ‘nice’ Muslims. It invites Muslims to declare their true values and loyalties: “When jihad comes, whose side will you be on?”

    Shoppers at Westgate Mall in Nairobi and Christian students in Nigeria have recently been killed because they had the wrong religion. What will our Muslim neighbors do when the jihadists come to our neighborhood schools, churches and shopping centers in Europe and North America? Will Muslims protect non-Muslim neighbors from death or will they side with the jihadists? A shopping mall jihad has already occurred in the U.S., but it was largely ignored.

    You mean, it’s already happened in America?

    Yes...
    When The Jihad Comes, Whose Side Will You Be On? - Political Islam
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    Let's turn your question around in a way which will be far more enlightening than finding out what I believe.

    What would Mohammed say, think, feel and do about these Muslims?

    If you don't already know the answer, here's a source I invite you to try.

    Political Islam - Islam's ideology about unbelievers, Kafirs

    Some interesting commentaries based on the Trilogy.



    When The Jihad Comes, Whose Side Will You Be On? - Political Islam
    You are always turning the questions around.
    Constant deflection when asked for your view, not Mohammed's, your view.
    But all I get is crap.
    The sites you link to are nothing but hate.
    How you arrived at a state of mind where you hate 1.3 Billion Muslims is beyond my capabilities to understand.
    No I am not simple minded.
    I could never understand hate so deeply ingrained.

    So the best I can offer on your hate, your hate site links, your opinion is get a life.
    Your posts are filled with hate, racism, bigotry and utter idiocy and all has been noted not only by me, but others on the Board.
    Though I do wonder if you carry on like this at public functions?



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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    lol... So apparently, Bill French, who again was a physicist with zero training in theology or comparative religion, is the ONLY Westerner who understands Islam.

    You do realize there are people who get an education in comparative religion and Islamic studies, yes? Who disagree with French's Muslim-hating perspective? Or is everyone wrong, except you and French?

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Knowing or not knowing what Islam was about nor the interpretation of its perceived war-like religious passages had absolutely nothing to do with going to war in Iraq. I don't think it mattered one bit. Why? Because we were never at war with the Iraqi government, not then and not now. Nor were we at war with the Iraqi people. If anything, there are a lot of Islamic religious fanatics or just plan crazy nut job jihadist who have co-opted the religion for their own purposes who have caused the most significant problems in the region and have caused mayhem. But what Americans knew about Islam has nothing to do with it except maybe the politics of it all.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    I wonder why people in the ME might get a little bitter:



    And there is roughly 60 million refugees now. Half of which are children.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    You are always turning the questions around.
    Constant deflection when asked for your view, not Mohammed's, your view.
    But all I get is crap.
    The sites you link to are nothing but hate.
    How you arrived at a state of mind where you hate 1.3 Billion Muslims is beyond my capabilities to understand.
    No I am not simple minded.
    I could never understand hate so deeply ingrained.

    So the best I can offer on your hate, your hate site links, your opinion is get a life.
    Your posts are filled with hate, racism, bigotry and utter idiocy and all has been noted not only by me, but others on the Board.
    Though I do wonder if you carry on like this at public functions?
    I will guess you are a Muslim. This post is written in that context.

    What I believe in is being a conduit for information which will give American non Muslims, i.e. Kafirs, the information you have very nicely kept hidden from us about Islam.

    This is information we have a right and a need to know in order to protect ourselves from the campaign of Jihad directed against ALL non Muslims, starting 1400 years ago, by The Prophet.

    And you seem to feel put upon because we would protect ourselves from you?

    That is unreasonable to expect.

    In the early 20th Century there was a woman named Mary Mallon, who earned the derogatory nickname, "Typhoid Mary."

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    An illustration of Typhoid Mary that appeared in 1909 in The New York American. (Public Domain)

    Mary Mallon, now known as Typhoid Mary, seemed a healthy woman when a health inspector knocked on her door in 1907, yet she was the cause of several typhoid outbreaks. Since Mary was the first "healthy carrier" of typhoid fever in the United States, she did not understand how someone not sick could spread disease -- so she tried to fight back.

    After a trial and then a short run from health officials, Typhoid Mary was recaptured and forced to live in relative seclusion upon North Brother Island off New York.
    The Story of Typhoid Mary

    The ONLY thing one can say in her defense is that she really did not believe or understand how she, a healthy woman, could possibly have infected others.

    Neither you, nor any other American Muslims, can claim you do not know the goals of Islam is to conquer the World for Allah.

    You can not claim to be innocent as you cry, 'woe is me I am a persecuted innocent Muslim.'


    You know what the Koran says about kafirs. You know what the plan of conquest entails, generally. You know that we have been and to a great extent, still are completely blind to what you know is planned and currently being carried out to bring Islam's goals to fruition.

    And yet you say nothing to warn us.

    You contine to play the innocent little victim of racism and bigoty.

    Well, here is the bottom line.

    You can't be trusted.

    None of you.

    Oh, some here and there may be trustworthy, but it is IN SPITE OF what the Prophet instructs.

    So, as you deceive us and keep us in the dark as you practice Jihad (YES JIHAD) on these very pages, you have duped enough of us Kafirs to take pity on you while you sit back and see just how gullible we will remain.

    And all I am doing is making the Prophet's words, deeds and instructions known to my fellow Kafirs so as to open our eyes to the war being waged on us.

    Islam is waging war while we are waging nice.

    Jihadists are playing to win while we are playing to tie.

    Well, I think it is time we wake up to the truth.

    You wouldn't blame us for trying to prevent being conquered would you?

    Doesn't the Prophet say something about that?
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Knowing or not knowing what Islam was about nor the interpretation of its perceived war-like religious passages had absolutely nothing to do with going to war in Iraq. I don't think it mattered one bit. Why? Because we were never at war with the Iraqi government, not then and not now. Nor were we at war with the Iraqi people. If anything, there are a lot of Islamic religious fanatics or just plan crazy nut job jihadist who have co-opted the religion for their own purposes who have caused the most significant problems in the region and have caused mayhem. But what Americans knew about Islam has nothing to do with it except maybe the politics of it all.
    I see by the star under your stats that you served or are serving. Thank you for that.

    I wonder if our political and military leaders knew that the Iraqi Muslims would always tend to side with those who practice true Islam instead of unbelievers, if that would have made them think twice before doing what they did.

    I have always been a supporter of the invasion.

    But when I saw the Iraqi forces fleeing before the advance of ISIS recently, It made me wonder wtf that was all about.

    I found the answer here.

    You may start reading anywhere but I have snipped what I hope will give you the answer I finally came to understand and I hope it will open your eyes as it did mine.

    When The Jihad Comes, Whose Side Will You Be On? - Political Islam
    Why don’t Muslims denounce the terrorists?

    Islam is harsh on ‘hypocrites’ (munafiqoon in Arabic). Munafiqs are ‘moderate Muslims’. They give only lip service to Islam. Mohammed wanted to burn the munafiqs to death in their homes for not participating in prayers or jihad. Nonetheless, participate or not, they must not hinder jihad by thought, word or deed. Islam’s ‘munafiqs’ sit back and look the other way, while jihadists fight the Kafirs and subdue them. When a munafiq helps Kafirs during jihad, he becomes a traitor to Islam; he is considered to be a Kafir at war with Islam, so jihadists may kill him too.

    When jihad comes, a munafiq is not neutral. He is on the side of jihad, rather than on the side of Kafirs. A munafiq is silent when the jihadists knock on their non-Muslim neighbor’s door. The reason for this silence is in the Koran (28.86) ‘never be a supporter of the disbelievers’.
    The Iraqis have been raised on Islam.

    It is more intrinsic to their being than Bonanza, Gunsmoke, Johnny Carson, baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet was/is to ours.

    They pray five times a day. We don't do ANY of the baseball, hot dogs and etc. that frequently nor do we do them every day.

    And once you understand what the Koran says, what Mohammed said, about unbelievers and those who would choose to befriend Kafirs instead of being loyal to their fellow Muslims, you will see why I posted this thread.

    And then to make the lesson complete, you must see how much effort and drama and theatricality ISIS put into producing the Jordanian Pilot Roast video.

    It really is quite a production.

    To OUR sensibilities it is just one long 'gorified' execution video. A terrorist act and snuff film, etc.

    But how do Iraqi or other M.E. Muslims perceive the video?

    I'm guessing that this video strikes terror into the hearts of ANY Muslim who would act as a hypocrite or an apostate by siding with the Americans, the Westerners, the Democracy of the new Iraqi government, the modernist Jordanians, those who fight for the Kafirs or alongside them, those who support MAN's LAWS instead of Shariah Law and etc.

    The Pilot Roast is a warning of what would happen to ANYONE who fights against true Jihad if they are caught by Islam's TRUEST warriors.

    And the thing is, every single man in the Iraqi Army KNOWS THIS. They KNOW ISIS is theologically true. ISIS represents the gold standard. Old school. The Real McCoy.

    ISIS does exactly what Mohammed did and exactly what he taught his disciples (Caliphs) to do, and exactly what he instructed all Muslims to do until the end of time.

    ISIS does it exactly the way the Prophet did it HIMSELF in the last half of his life.

    And every Muslim in the M.E. KNOWS this.

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