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  • SHOULD we have invaded? Yes

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The fact that YOU asked the question means I know you're just BSing. In 15 ****ing years we see one cute little story about a jewish grandma, and we suppose to buy into that image over the one I posted? Whoever thinks that better try harder. Hate and burning flags is the face of Islam, until stop doing it.


    I didnt see anything like that in Koran
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    What's worse then Jehovahs Witnesses? Answer: Jihadi Witnesses...
    https://youtu.be/BSyPgQeGlgU

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    For those who are wondering about ISIS, here is my take on it and I believe it will stand up to your fact checking.

    Quote Originally Posted by AN UNNAMED POSTER AT AN UNNAMED FORUM
    The kind of people attracted to ISIS are addicted to violence against others. They are using the religious fanaticism of Islam for their own sick pleasures.

    In "American Sniper" we see a thug known as "The Butcher" put a power drill into a small boy to punish a father who cooperated with America forces. If you are willing to do that to your own people without a conscience then anything goes. When no evil Westerners are about they simply torture their own.
    There are undoubtedly some sickos who simply get off on the opportunity to practice sadism.

    But to see ISIS as that and nothing more will leave you ill equipped to resist them successfully.

    Islam has suffered for centuries with a trend toward modernization when it was fundamentalism which Mohammed demonstrated was the key to achieving the goal of global conquest.

    So, ISIS believers have gone back to basics.

    They are doing things old school. As close to the template established by Mohammed as possible. And it is working just as well today as it did when Islam went from 150 followers to killing and conquering every Kafir on the Arabian Peninsula and onwards.

    There is a psychological dynamism created through the use of their methods of jihad which brings about GREATER (not fewer) converts and MORE (not less) victories in the field and LESS (not more) opposition from hypocritical Muslims and apostates who deserve death, according to the teachings of the Prophet.

    It saves lives.

    And remember the Jordanian Pilot Roast?

    That video was produced for the greatest theatrical effect on those who are in Jahiliyyah.

    Jahiliyyah (Arabic: جاهلية‎ ǧāhiliyyah/jāhilīyah "ignorance") is an Islamic concept of "ignorance of divine guidance" or "the state of ignorance of the guidance from God" or "Days of Ignorance" referring to the barbaric condition in which Arabs found themselves in pre-Islamic Arabia (in the non-Islamic sense), i.e. ...
    Jahiliyyah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    They see themselves when they know ISIS is coming and they know that ISIS has the ideological upper hand. ISIS is Islamic just as the Prophet was Islamic.

    And those who fight for Democracy or side with Kafirs and hypocrites and unbelievers and apostates are loathsome and deserve the most gruesome deaths.

    And that is exactly how Mohammed did t!

    And because it worked fantastically for Mohammed, he instructed that it should be practiced by all future Muslims and it would work successfully for fthem as well. "Them" being the so called "radical" (as we think of them) Muslim groups and individuals such as ISIS, Al Qaeda and etc..

    And that it would work in the days of Mohammed and it would work today and it would work until the end of time.

    They have adopted a winning strategy.

    And in a way, it is the most merciful strategy.

    It fills the non believer's hearts with fear and makes them flee rather than fight. It makes the moderate Muslims suddenly re-devoted to Islam as the Prophet practiced it. And cities and towns in the path of ISIS offer no resistance and instead greet the ISIS fighters as heroes of Islam.

    To dismiss ISIS and other fundamentalist Islamic groups as nothing but sadists is a sign that more reading is in order.

    Political Islam - Islam's ideology about unbelievers, Kafirs

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JFish123 View Post
    What's worse then Jehovahs Witnesses? Answer: Jihadi Witnesses...
    https://youtu.be/BSyPgQeGlgU




    Last edited by Tazmanian Devil; 06-17-15 at 07:16 PM.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    ISIS specifically yes it is an offshoot of al-Qaeda, but in an alternate universe where Iraq is not invaded nothing ensures Saddam would not at some point have to face Islamic militias such as ISIS, like Assad had to face even though Syria was not invaded. This is the path Islamic societies had taken and would have taken regardless of an invasion to Iraq and Afghanistan as evident in the cases of Syria and Libya.
    Sure, nothing "ensures", but even more importantly, nothing "implies" that he would have....

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    A more accurate assessment is: You've set up a double standard, AND you tilt the scales even further by misrepresenting Islam.

    You also fail to understand the consequences of your actions, namely that you inadvertently grant the most radical and most extreme Muslims a form of legitimacy and importance that they do not deserve, and that almost all other Muslims don't want them to have. Aside from the fact that you utterly lack the standing to declare that ISIL is the "One True Islam," you are giving ISIL exactly what they want when you do so. Good job.
    Yeah. Thanks.

    I first saw this rationale used in an online debate about ten years ago.

    And I bought it.

    Now, I see it is nothing more than a theoretical argument. And it may be a cynical ploy designed to keep us from doing what we need to do to protect ourselves from those at war with us because we do not submit to Allah.

    As long as gullible Kafirs can be made to suspend our judgement of Muslims as a whole and Islam as a political ideology (Islam the religion really shouldn't be of much concern to non Muslims as it really hasn't much impact on us...only Muslims) we will one day wake up and find that we were very successful in protecting the rights of the few nice Muslims but at the cost of being overrun by the ones who have no such sentiments.

    What will we do then?

    Look at the sugar and spice Muslims and want them to give us our culture and society and our tranquility and our values and our government back?

    It will be too late. And our sweet sugar and spice Muslim friends will be very kind not to laugh in our faces as they think to themselves, "It is not our fault that you were so stupid to let Muslims dupe you. You deserve your plight. Allahu Akbar."

    What we need to do is focus on protecting OURSELVES first, and Muslims only after we have assured our own defenses.

    Never before in history has one civilization allowed large numbers of those who come from an alien, and immutably hostile situation, to settle deep within that first civilization’s borders. Never before have the members of one civilization failed to investigate, and even willfully refused to investigate, or to listen to those who warn about, the consequences for all non-Muslims of the belief-system of Islam. In history, the phenomenon of the Barbarians at the Gates is hardly new. Those barbarians lay siege; if they win, they enter in triumph. Should they lose, the advanced civilization survives. But never before have the gates been opened, to an entering force that has not even been identified or understood. Never before have the inhabitants of the by-now vulnerable city made efforts not to recognize, or realize, what they have done, and what they have undone. That demographic intrusion shows no signs of diminishing. The systematic building of mosques and madrasas, paid for by Saudi Arabia, everywhere in the Western world, helps to make the conduct of Muslim life easier.

    Western populations have been trained to make much of “celebrating diversity” and “promoting difference” and constructing, on a base of militant but unexamined pluralism, an edifice of legal rights and entitlements.

    These rights, these entitlements, this militant pluralism are exploited by Muslims who do not believe in pluralism.

    Nor do they accept the individual rights of conscience and free speech, the legal equality of men and women, and of religious and racial minorities, recognized, for example, in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

    Their current claim to support pluralism is based on the need to protect, and increase the power of, the Muslim umma, or Community, within the West, until such time as that umma no longer needs to pretend to have any interest in Western pluralism and Western values.
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/01/fi...idels-part-one
    Last edited by Tazmanian Devil; 06-18-15 at 12:38 AM.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
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    I didnt see anything like that in Koran
    Their Imams are condoning it.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Their Imams are condoning it.
    I dont trust most imams or priests.they are usually liars.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    Yeah. Thanks.

    I first saw this rationale used in an online debate about ten years ago.

    And I bought it.

    Now, I see it is nothing more than a theoretical argument. And it may be a cynical ploy designed to keep us from doing what we need to do to protect ourselves from those at war with us because we do not submit to Allah.

    As long as gullible Kafirs can be made to suspend our judgement of Muslims as a whole and Islam as a political ideology (Islam the religion really shouldn't be of much concern to non Muslims as it really hasn't much impact on us...only Muslims) we will one day wake up and find that we were very successful in protecting the rights of the few nice Muslims but at the cost of being overrun by the ones who have no such sentiments.

    What will we do then?

    Look at the sugar and spice Muslims and want them to give us our culture and society and our tranquility and our values and our government back?

    It will be too late. And our sweet sugar and spice Muslim friends will be very kind not to laugh in our faces as they think to themselves, "It is not our fault that you were so stupid to let Muslims dupe you. You deserve your plight. Allahu Akbar."

    What we need to do is focus on protecting OURSELVES first, and Muslims only after we have assured our own defenses.


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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    I dont trust most imams or priests.they are usually liars.
    Note to Kafirs: Most Muslim apologists consider it a victory to make Islam seem to be equal to all other religions.

    It isn't.

    Don't grant them this seemingly inconsequential concession.

    Every Religion is Better



    Every religion is better than Islam, and so is atheism. Here are three reasons:
    1. All religions, except Islam, have the Golden Rule as an ethical cornerstone. Instead Islam has a dualistic ethical code.
    2. In Islam, the Sharia demands that all humanity submit to Islamic customs and law.
    3. The only religion that can kill apostates is Islam. Leaving Islam is a capital crime under the Sharia.
    Some say that all religions are the same. But, from these reasons, we can see that Islam is inferior to all others.
    Every Religion is Better - Political Islam

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