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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Did I mention the whole "Islamophobia" thing yet?

    Muslims in American are no more or less likely to flout the law due to religious beliefs than will devout Christians, devout Jews, devout Hindus and so on.
    Not so.

    If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?-trop-jpg

    26,114 Terrorist attacks by Muslims since 9/11/01.

    ZERO Terrorist attacks by Christians since 9/11/01.

    You are woefully under informed or you are being disingenuous as is encouraged in Islam.

    Muslims who engage in jihad can find the legitimacy to do so in the Quran. Christians who engage in any violence are betraying Christianity”s teachings and can find no legitimacy to do what they do in the New Testament.
    The Fictional Mohammed - Political Islam

    The issue of your veracity or ignorance is at question here not of the facts of the life of the perfect Muslim (Mohammed) and His example in life, His teachings to his loved ones (friends and family) to do as He did and His orders to all Muslims until the end of time to do as He did.

    And which a certain unsettling % of Muslims are actively obeying.

    And those who are not violently inclined ARE still Jihadists (or else they are not Muslim but hypocrites, apostates or Munafiques) and are still obliged to do their part, hidden or open, large or small, violent or non violent, to help the progress of Islam toward global dominatuion.

    And in no case are Muslims, no matter how nice they may seem, to stand in the way of true muslims, like ISIS, for example.

    So, when the Jihad comes to their door will they side with their Kafir brethren or their Muslim brethren?

    Don't bother answering.

    We all know the truth.
    When jihad comes, a munafiq is not neutral. He is on the side of jihad, rather than on the side of Kafirs. A munafiq is silent when the jihadists knock on their non-Muslim neighbor’s door. The reason for this silence is in the Koran (28.86) ‘never be a supporter of the disbelievers’.

    Munafiqs can be reactivated in jihad

    One of the surprising things about Islam is how non-practicing Muslims often return to active service in jihad. Sometimes it only takes a personal contact or a rousing sermon to turn a non-practicing, ‘moderate’ Muslim into a jihadist. This is similar to the recruitment of young pacifists in time of war. The Tsarnaev brothers were nice, ‘moderate’ Muslims and then they became religious jihadists.
    When The Jihad Comes, Whose Side Will You Be On? - Political Islam

    Face it, there are just too many taqiyyah practicing Muslims in America for a really sincerely America loving Muslim to be trusted.

    And don't blame me.

    Blame Islam.

    Although what's the likelihood of that?

    And if a sincere American loving Muslim DID blame Islam why should we believe him if Islam encourages lying?

    See what I mean?
    Last edited by Tazmanian Devil; 06-16-15 at 01:46 PM.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    26,114 Terrorist attacks by Muslims since 9/11/01.
    ZERO Terrorist attacks by Christians since 9/11/01.
    Did you forget about Anders Behring Breivik? The 2012 attack on a Sikh temple in Wisconsin? The assassination of George Tiller? Jim David Adkisson's random shooting in a church? Ever hear of the Army of God? You do know that the Lord's Resistance Army (the insurgency led by the now-infamous Joseph Kony) is inspired and motivated by Christian-based religious beliefs?

    How many drone strikes and bomb strikes has the US ordered on Muslim targets?

    How many Muslim nations have been invaded by nations predominantly led by Christians?

    How many victims of those attacks were Muslims?

    How many Christians have committed homicides since 2001?

    Did the world exist before 2001? Was the KKK not essentially a Christian segregationist terrorist group for decades? Didn't European Christians spend most of the past 1800 years in perpetual warfare, mostly against one another?

    There are 1.5 billion Muslims. What percentage of Muslims were involved in those terrorist attacks?

    Please, spare me your incredibly selective claims.


    The issue of your veracity or ignorance is at question here....
    Actually, it's your veracity, ignorance and bias that's the problem. You appear to have read one Islamophobic website, and willfully ignore or misrepresent what's happening in the real world. It's not impressive.


    those who are not violently inclined ARE still Jihadists....
    That's like saying that "all Christians actively proselytize, even when they are sitting at home on their couch and not trying to convert anyone to Christianity.

    There are millions of Muslims who are not trying to convert the entire planet to Islam. Somehow, I doubt you have the status within the Muslim community to command they do otherwise.


    And in no case are Muslims, no matter how nice they may seem, to stand in the way of true muslims, like ISIS, for example.
    So you not only tell Muslims how to behave, you unilaterally decide who is and is not a "true" Muslim? Yeah, I don't think so.

    ISIL is no more the "True Muslims" than the Crusaders were the only "True Christians" in Medieval Europe, or the harshest of Inquisitors were the only "True Catholics."


    So, when the Jihad comes to their door will they side with their Kafir brethren or their Muslim brethren? Don't bother answering. We all know the truth.
    There are probably around 31,000 active ISIL militants. There are 1.5 billion Muslims. ISIL makes up around 0.002% of all Muslims, and ISIL spends most of its time killing other Muslims. Yes, we all know the truth, that the overwhelming majority of Muslims do not support ISIL.

    Most Muslims don't care about the Isis Caliphate - Telegraph

    Think Muslims Haven’t Condemned ISIS? Think Again - Common Word, Common Lord

    A Muslim's Ramadan Message to ISIS: You Don't Speak for Islam*|*Qasim Rashid

    Meanwhile, there is still no recognition on your part that Muslims do in fact condemn terrorist acts committed by other Muslims or criticize ISIL. Go figure.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    Not until you ask me politely.

    No, better yet.

    Google it yourself.

    That will stop your attacking the messenger.

    If you have a problem with the Prophet's definition which you, yourself find via Google, you will have yourself, Google and Islam to quibble with.
    In my post I was not rude.
    If my post offends you, I deeply Apple-O-Jize.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    By the way, that "Political Islam" site? It's set up by a for-profit anti-Muslim group, run by a guy named Bill French aka Bill Warner. He has zero training in religious studies, US law, Sharia law or Islam, he's a former physics professor and now a full-time crank. He apparently doesn't understand Islam or Sharia at all, but he apparently does think he knows how to make a profit as a fear-monger.

    Next time, you might want to be a tad more judicious about your sources.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    In my post I was not rude.
    I sniffed a bit of something.

    I thought it emanated from the curtness of your post.

    Maybe it was my upper lip I smelled.

    In any event, did you Google Mohammed's definition?

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    Not so.

    If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?-trop-jpg

    26,114 Terrorist attacks by Muslims since 9/11/01.
    In the US post 911 till 2012/2105
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/op...f=opinion&_r=0

    This from post 911 til 2015
    Islamic terror attacks on US soil

    Since 9/11, an average of nine American Muslims per year have been involved in an average of six terrorism-related plots against targets in the United States. Most were disrupted, but the 20 plots that were carried out accounted for 50 fatalities over the past 13 and a half years.
    RWF attacks on US sol from post 911 til 2012

    In contrast, right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities, according to a study by Perliger, a professor at the United States Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center. The toll has increased since the study was released in 2012.
    Other sites-agencies that collect the data as you will see from the link, vary little.
    And now the clincher.
    More than 215,000 murders since post 911.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    By the way, that "Political Islam" site? It's set up by a for-profit anti-Muslim group, run by a guy named Bill French aka Bill Warner. He has zero training in religious studies, US law, Sharia law or Islam, he's a former physics professor and now a full-time crank. He apparently doesn't understand Islam or Sharia at all, but he apparently does think he knows how to make a profit as a fear-monger.

    Next time, you might want to be a tad more judicious about your sources.
    Gee, then it shouldn't be at all difficult for you to discredit his quotations from the Koran, Sira or Hadith, since that is where he gets his information.

    I've got popcorn in the pantry and beer in the fridge.

    I'll wait for you to begin before I break open either one.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    I sniffed a bit of something.

    I thought it emanated from the curtness of your post.

    Maybe it was my upper lip I smelled.

    In any event, did you Google Mohammed's definition?
    Nope- I had asked for your interpretation of Jihad.
    And we went from there.
    Up to you if we carry on a discussion.
    If my post offends you, I deeply Apple-O-Jize.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    In the US post 911 till 2012/2105
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/op...f=opinion&_r=0

    This from post 911 til 2015
    Islamic terror attacks on US soil



    RWF attacks on US sol from post 911 til 2012



    Other sites-agencies that collect the data as you will see from the link, vary little.
    And now the clincher.
    Why limit yourself!

    As Islam claims the entire Globe for Allah why limit yourself to just the USA?

    That's as disingenuous as your doctor sending you home with a clean bill of health because the cancerous lesion on your lung hasn't yet metastasized to your brain, breasts, ovaries, colon or etc.

    See?

    Nothing to worry about at all.

    Now, 'Stay quiet and you'll be OK,' Atta told passengers...

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    And now the clincher.
    More than 215,000 murders since post 911.
    More than 215,000 murders since post 911.

    And now for the clincher:

    NONE of those murders were committed in the name of Jesus Christ.

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