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  • Would we have invaded? Yes

    9 37.50%
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  • Would we have invaded? Maybe

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  • SHOULD we have invaded? Yes

    4 16.67%
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    18 75.00%
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Never thought about it but makes sense. I also heard the word "love" is not a part of it.

    I don't want to bash Islam. It is what it is and to be honest, much of the problem areas are more cultural nuances of the Middle East and are not official a part of their faith. Many Muslims in the west do not support the atrocities of the Middle East. That said, the western economy is presently interwoven in the Middle East. Due to the NEEDLESS monopoly oil presently holds over personal transportation, we are forced to hold our economy and freedoms directly and indirectly at the mercy of a society that by and large hates us. Let's be honest, we are crackheads and oil us our crack. The Middle East is our crack dealer. There is fault to find on all sides. Opening up our own crack house here in the suburbs so to speak is not the solution, mainly because it ensures there will be a global market for crack at high funding levels (oil.)

    What we need to do is to support transportation that does not require their oil, our our, Russia's oil, or anybody else's oil. Plugin electric cars presently offer the best viability to that imperative.
    I'm bemused by the allusion to oil as America's version of "Crack" cocaine.

    As though oil was unnecessary for life or that it is a bad thing.

    We need it like we need nothing else save, food, water, air and protection from natural hazards.

    Without oil we would be plunged into darkness and forced to try to exist in a pre-1860 lifestyle which our adversaries, who are sworn to defeat us, currently thrive.

    We would be novices and at their mercy, were it ever to come to that.

    And that is what they are planning for us in the US, to take away our technological advantages and leave us to try to exist on that level.

    They would have the advantage then.

    But about your post.

    We are on our way to producing more oil than any other nation on Earth, what with new reserves having been discovered in the USA and the use of fracking techniques.

    And for a long time now our consumption has primarily been supplied by NON Middle Eastern sources. We get only a fraction of our needs from the M.E.

    However, our TRADING PARTNERS absolutely depend on an undisturbed flow of oil from the Gulf region.

    And THAT is just ONE of the very, very, very good reasons for the invasion. We were able to guarantee our trading partners around the globe, an uninterrupted supply of oil and that kept US in business and able to live life as we know it and like it.

    And while were in the neighborhood of alternative fuel, I saw a Toyota online ad which made me laugh contemptuously at their trying to see how many shum dits would get excited about their Hydrogen Fuel research.

    It is amazing the nerve they have!

    Hydrogen takes more energy to produce than it delivers in the final end product.

    That's like getting excited at a machine which delivers an never ending supply of one dollar bills as long as you keep feeding it five dollar bills.

    Yay?

    Last edited by Tazmanian Devil; 06-16-15 at 08:30 AM.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    Wow. Unbelievable.

    How did you you come to have such masterful analytical skills?
    Experience with biased writing.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    Same as it meant to Mohammed.
    You are avoiding the question.
    What does it mean to you?
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    You haven't yet figured out how to impart aromas to the readers. But once you do I will be ready for it with nose clips.
    Thanks - I am well aware that the truth does stink at times.
    Good to see that you are prepared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    For one who so stubbornly resists reading the informational texts or viewing the informative videos at Political Islam - Islam's ideology about unbelievers, Kafirs you must be insincerely asking me for a solution.

    If you go there and still have questions of me, I will consider your request at that point.

    Otherwise I accuse you of merely fishing (trolling?) for 'ammo' to use against me. To further your agenda and not to advance your understanding of Islam nor to find a way to prevent non Muslims from being victimized by it.

    And facilitating that is not in my plan.
    Read parts of the link.

    Again here ya go.\Well you appear to have a one sided view of Muslims.
    Or is this just Muslims in the ME
    Or does it include the EU and NA.
    For one that appears to demonize Muslims, you must have solutions?
    The questions are reasonable and clear.
    How can that be trolling?
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Read parts of the link.

    Again here ya go.\Well you appear to have a one sided view of Muslims.
    Or is this just Muslims in the ME
    Or does it include the EU and NA.
    For one that appears to demonize Muslims, you must have solutions?
    The questions are reasonable and clear.
    How can that be trolling?
    Does your alarm clock have a solution when it rings?

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    You are avoiding the question.
    What does it mean to you?
    Why can't my definition be the same as The Prophet's definition?

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    I am saying that Muslims will be more likely to follow the doctrine of Islam than they would and do our Kafir ideology....
    Did I mention the whole "Islamophobia" thing yet?

    Muslims in American are no more or less likely to flout the law due to religious beliefs than will devout Christians, devout Jews, devout Hindus and so on. We also routinely see how some extremist Christian political actors overtly try to change the laws because their religious ethical systems demand it. Is it OK for Christians to alter the law to suit their ideology, yet somehow beyond the pale for anyone else to do so?

    How much of the New Testament happens to discuss Jews and other non-Christians, by the way?


    And if you know anything about Islam you will recognize that I am telling the truth.
    Sorry, but you are not telling the truth.

    The truth is, for example, that Muslim organizations consistently denounce terrorist attacks committed by Muslims. You're just not hearing about it.

    Reza Aslan To Chuck Todd: If You Don't Believe That Muslims Denounce Terrorism, Google It

    Why donít more moderate Muslims denounce extremism? (They Do, We Don't Notice) - The Washington Post

    What Fox Won't Show You: Muslim Leaders Are Condemning The Paris Terror Attack | Research | Media Matters for America

    Muslim Leaders Have Roundly Denounced Islamic State, But Conservative Media Won't Tell You That | Research | Media Matters for America

    As to Iraqi soldiers unable to deal with ISIL, I see little indication that you have much knowledge of a very complex situation. To start with, even the CIA recognizes that recruiting locals rarely works, especially if they are fighting proxy wars on behalf of American policy goals. (Classified CIA report finds that arming rebels rarely works, so where does that leave us with Syria?)

    Most of the Iraqi army's failures are a result of politics. Some of it is sectarian in nature. Much of it is the long-term effects of the decision by that f***wit Bremer to disband the Iraqi army, which in turn sent a flood of armed and trained men into the waiting arms of militias, who are less motivated by the national interest than in using the current strife to their own advantage.

    Meanwhile, the reality is that right now, ISIL is almost exclusively killing other Muslims, and poses a serious threat to the sovereignty of (at a minimum) Syria and Iraq. They certainly aren't losing because Iraqis sekritly support ISIL, or because Muslims are somehow magically more willing to fight than Christians (or, I guess, other Muslims).

    Perhaps instead of demonizing about 1 billion people because of their religion, you should try to understand that the world is a complex place, with all sorts of competing ideologies, creeds, political goals and motivations. Just a thought.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    Why can't my definition be the same as The Prophet's definition?
    Then post it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Then post it.
    Not until you ask me politely.

    No, better yet.

    Google it yourself.

    That will stop your attacking the messenger.

    If you have a problem with the Prophet's definition which you, yourself find via Google, you will have yourself, Google and Islam to quibble with.
    Last edited by Tazmanian Devil; 06-16-15 at 02:24 PM.

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