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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    The problem with blanket dismissals of credible news sources is that it boomerangs and leaves the accuser looking ignorant.
    The American Thinker is not a "credible news source." It's not a "news source" at all.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?
    You mean, if we were all Islamophobes who believed the worst about a world religion with over 1 billion adherents, the vast majority of which are quite peaceful?


    One unknown aspect of the true nature of Islam is that Muslims are more Muslim than Americans are American, IMHO.
    What does that even mean?


    Another is that Muslims are commanded to make every other religion and form of government ion Earth disappear.
    Christians want to convert everyone to Christianity. Americans want every government to be an American-style democracy. Sound familiar?


    If we knew that we would not be overwhelmingly greeted as liberators would we have had that humanitarian motive to add to the reasons why we believed we SHOULD have invaded?
    Bush 43 and his buddies wanted to invade. They grabbed every possible rationalization, excuse, and trumped-up bit of evidence to convince the American public to get on board with the invasion. Did you really fall for the idea that the Iraqis wanted their sovereignty violated by a foreign invader, who had a long history of supporting dictatorships in the Middle East and elsewhere (including Shah Reza in Iran and the Saudis)...?

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The American Thinker is not a "credible news source." It's not a "news source" at all.
    No news source is a news source unless you read it or watch it and pay attention.

    Do you?

    have you?

    If so, then find what is untrue about this article.

    You can't.

    So why don't you just sit down and stop talking about things that are over your head?

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    So, you can readily refute the article in focus.

    The Five Stages of Islam

    Articles: The Five Stages of Islam

    You have our attention.

    Go.
    From the biased article:

    Muslims are conciliatory, deferential but request harmless special treatment (foot bath facilities, removal/elimination of that which is offensive to delicate Muslim sensibilities - like walking dogs near Mosques).

    Muslims have a problem with dogs? I had no idea. Well, obviously, if all Muslims are on board with the "five stages", then it follows that they all have the same "delicate sensibilities." Is that true?

    The fact is that the issue of whether or not it is permissable to keep dogs as pets, or to keep them in the house is complicated. There are not only many different religious interpretations about this, but also many different cultural norms among Muslims from different countries. So, it is an Islamic issue, and also a cultural issue, and in this particular case also a health issue.

    There are Muslims who keep dogs, and Muslims who don’t. Both have strong opinions, and it is a hotly debated issue. This episode of All-American Muslim was discussed within the Muslim community.
    source

    Apparently not.

    So, as is to be expected, it doesn't take long to find errors in a publication that has an agenda. Therefore, the wise thing to do is to dismiss that sort of source.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    You mean, if we were all Islamophobes who believed the worst about a world religion with over 1 billion adherents, the vast majority of which are quite peaceful?
    I am saying that Muslims will be more likely to follow the doctrine of Islam than they would and do our Kafir ideology and our non believer forces and our backing of their Democratic government, which is antithetical to the teachings of Islam.

    And if you know anything about Islam you will recognize that I am telling the truth.

    Here's a clue as to why the US efforts are doomed to failure if we rely on the Iraqis or any Muslims to perform as we hope they will.

    Why don’t Muslims denounce the terrorists?

    Islam is harsh on ‘hypocrites’ (munafiqoon in Arabic). Munafiqs are ‘moderate Muslims’. They give only lip service to Islam. Mohammed wanted to burn the munafiqs to death in their homes for not participating in prayers or jihad.

    Nonetheless, participate or not, they must not hinder jihad by thought, word or deed. Islam’s ‘munafiqs’ sit back and look the other way, while jihadists fight the Kafirs and subdue them. When a munafiq helps Kafirs during jihad, he becomes a traitor to Islam; he is considered to be a Kafir at war with Islam, so jihadists may kill him too.

    When jihad comes, a munafiq is not neutral. He is on the side of jihad, rather than on the side of Kafirs. A munafiq is silent when the jihadists knock on their non-Muslim neighbor’s door. The reason for this silence is in the Koran (28.86) ‘never be a supporter of the disbelievers’.
    When The Jihad Comes, Whose Side Will You Be On? - Political Islam

    And when a true Islamic force opposes those fighting with, for or alongside non believers they will usually side with the Islamic forces unless the non believers are obviously more powerful.

    This means that the success of our efforts was never a certainty if we expected them to create a non Islamic government. (Jahiliyyah)

    And with the Iraqi Army fleeing before the ISIS forces we have all the evidence we need to know that we have been trying to piss up a rope.

    It won't happen.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    From the biased article:

    Muslims have a problem with dogs? I had no idea. Well, obviously, if all Muslims are on board with the "five stages", then it follows that they all have the same "delicate sensibilities." Is that true?

    source

    Apparently not.

    So, as is to be expected, it doesn't take long to find errors in a publication that has an agenda. Therefore, the wise thing to do is to dismiss that sort of source.
    Wow. Unbelievable.

    How did you you come to have such masterful analytical skills?

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    Here are a few listings about Islam and it's subjection of Women.




    Bulletin of the Oppression of Women Oct. 15 - Nov. 19, 2012 - Political Islam
    Thanks. It's beyond horrific how they treat their mothers, sisters and daughters.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taz
    One unknown aspect of the true nature of Islam is that Muslims are more Muslim than Americans are American, IMHO.
    What does that even mean?
    It means that Muslims are more committed to Islam than we Americans, on average, are committed to almost anything except "Dancing With the Stars."

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Thanks. It's beyond horrific how they treat their mothers, sisters and daughters.
    Well, I perceive you differently now than a moment ago.

    A good thing.



    Do you know that Islam does not believe in the Golden Rule?

    And that is shown in Islam's system of inequality.
    Lest us return to the issue of equality.

    The idea is unacceptable to Islam.

    For the non-believer cannot be the equal of the believer.

    Even among the believers only those who subscribe to the three so-called Abrahamic religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam ( Ahl el-Kitab) are regarded as fully human.

    Here is the hierarchy of human worth in Islam:

    At the summit are free male Muslims

    Next come Muslim male slaves

    Then come free Muslim women

    Next come Muslim slave women.

    Then come free Jewish and /or Christian men

    Then come slave Jewish and/or Christian men

    Then come slave Jewish and/or Christian women.

    Each category has rights that must be respected.

    The People of the Book have always been protected and relatively well-treated by Muslim rulers, but often in the context of a form of apartheid known as dhimmitude.

    The status of the rest of humanity, those whose faiths are not recognised by Islam or who have no faith at all, has never been spelled out although wherever Muslim rulers faced such communities they often treated them with a certain measure of tolerance and respect ( As in the case of Hindus under the Muslim dynasties of India.)

    Non-Muslims can, and have often been, treated with decency, but never as equals.

    (There is a hierarchy even for animals and plants. Seven animals and seven plants will assuredly go to heaven while seven others of each will end up in Hell.)

    Democracy means the rule of the demos, the common people, or what is now known as popular or national sovereignty.

    In Islam, however, power belongs only to God: al-hukm l'illah. The man who exercises that power on earth is known as Khalifat al-Allah, the regent of God.

    But even then the Khalifah or Caliph cannot act as legislator. The law has already been spelled out and fixed for ever by God.

    The only task that remains is its discovery, interpretation and application.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1138942/posts
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    Well, I perceive you differently now than a moment ago.

    A good thing.



    Do you know that Islam does not believe in the Golden Rule?

    And that is shown in Islam's system of inequality.


    Amir Taheri: "Islam Is Incompatible With Democracy"
    Never thought about it but makes sense. I also heard the word "love" is not a part of it.

    I don't want to bash Islam. It is what it is and to be honest, much of the problem areas are more cultural nuances of the Middle East and are not official a part of their faith. Many Muslims in the west do not support the atrocities of the Middle East. That said, the western economy is presently interwoven in the Middle East. Due to the NEEDLESS monopoly oil presently holds over personal transportation, we are forced to hold our economy and freedoms directly and indirectly at the mercy of a society that by and large hates us. Let's be honest, we are crackheads and oil us our crack. The Middle East is our crack dealer. There is fault to find on all sides. Opening up our own crack house here in the suburbs so to speak is not the solution, mainly because it ensures there will be a global market for crack at high funding levels (oil.)

    What we need to do is to support transportation that does not require their oil, our our, Russia's oil, or anybody else's oil. Plugin electric cars presently offer the best viability to that imperative.
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