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  • Would we have invaded? Yes

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  • Would we have invaded? Maybe

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  • SHOULD we have invaded? Yes

    4 16.67%
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I believe Saddam Hussein needed to be dealt with, he was being very uncooperative with UN weapon inspectors. However we decided to bring far more force and destruction into play than I believe was necessary. I personally believe we should have given him an ultimatum to either cooperate fully and immediately or be taken out. If he continued to be uncooperative we should have gathered intelligence (even if it took months) and made a strategic strike by bomb or a small team of commandos directly on him leaving the rest of the country alone. We should never have moved forces into the country.

    Once he was killed and his successor was in place we give the same ultimatum and consequences to them, eventually whomever was in power would comply to UN weapon inspections the way they should.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    The truth is that Kafirs, non Muslims, Infidels, are never the equal of Muslims.

    That we Kafirs, et al, are fighting against a deeply held and deeply entrenched religious ideology, culture and tradition.

    We would ONLY be able to assume that Middle Eastern Muslims would side with the West, the USA, the Coalition, the Kafirs and our abominable Western idea of Democracy (which doesn't exist in Islam**) through coercion, money and brute force.

    And the minute that $, influence and military power was removed (even after 100 years...See the example of Turkey) the region would revert back to it's traditional Islamism.

    In short, we could force our will on the people but if ever they were given the uninfluenced and free choice between freedom, Democracy and Liberty such as we know it and love it, vs the comforting restrictions of Islam, the people would overwhelmingly choose Islam.

    Why do you think the Iraqi Army fled in the face of ISIS forces?

    The Army soldiers KNEW they were fighting on the wrong side.

    Just as crooks know they are in the wrong when they are fleeing the police. Just as the Soviets knew Ronald Reagan was right when he called the USSR the "Evil Empire."

    In their hearts they know which side is right.

    And in the hearts of virtually ALL Middle Easterners they know in their hearts Islam is right and we are wrong.

    And with that understanding I don't think we would have or should have invaded such as we did.

    Other ways should have been employed.


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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    I'm not the one with the answers to that.

    At least not yet.

    Well you appear to have a one sided view of Muslims.
    Or is this just Muslims in the ME
    Or does it include the EU and NA.
    For one that appears to demonize Muslims, you must have solutions?
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    You need to revisit the chain of association... you only insisted you were a Trump-supporter after you figured out that made you a pederast as well. If I were you. I'd be more discreet about it... but I guess it's your dime.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Well you appear to have a one sided view of Muslims.
    Or is this just Muslims in the ME
    Or does it include the EU and NA.
    For one that appears to demonize Muslims, you must have solutions?
    For one who so stubbornly resists reading the informational texts or viewing the informative videos at Political Islam - Islam's ideology about unbelievers, Kafirs you must be insincerely asking me for a solution.

    If you go there and still have questions of me, I will consider your request at that point.

    Otherwise I accuse you of merely fishing (trolling?) for 'ammo' to use against me. To further your agenda and not to advance your understanding of Islam nor to find a way to prevent non Muslims from being victimized by it.

    And facilitating that is not in my plan.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    You cannot be serious.
    I'm not serious much of the time. But when it comes to trying to prevent Islamic conquest of America just call me "Taz."

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Not relevant - hindsight is always 20/20.
    Okay. I will grant you that.

    So, extrapolate that 20/20 clarity of vision to interpret the current situation or the future or what we should or shouldn't do in the M.E.

    Let's see how much we can learn from what we already know.


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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Well, let me think. Iran- We wouldn't have had the ayatollahs running Iran. No hostage crisis. No anti-Americanism there caused by overthrowing their government and installing a US friendly dictator. The alternate Iran probably wouldn't be a covert supporter of Hezbollah, smuggling missiles into Lebanon.

    Al Qaeda- From my understanding, the central motivation of the 9/11 attacks was the first war with Iraq and its aftermath, permanently stationing US forces in Saudi Arabia to enforce the southern no-fly zone. According to wahabisism, part of the public school education offered in Saudi Arabia, I suspect strategically included by the Royal family to the keep the peasant population disinterested in materialism so they can enjoy their lives of luxury without compliant, the presence of a non-Islamic military force in Islamic land is an abomination and must be driven out. This was the education Osama bin laden and most of the hijackers were raised with and paid for by Americans at the gas pump.

    Iraq- Due to oil's monopoly status over American transportation, we've had to live in marriages of convenience with regimes we normally would have avoided. Iraq was one such relationship. OPEC, the antitrust oil cartel, was formed as a way for dictators to make out like bandits on the backs of the American people. Saddam Hussein broke ranks with them and bailed America out of the energy crisis of the 1970s. It wasn't until his invasion of Kuwait and more importantly, his next planned move, to take over Saudi Arabia, that he fell out of favor with the US. War and then sanctions claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis including many of not mostly children who did not have access to medicine. This created what turned out to be a major motivation for anti-American sentiment in the region as a new form of media emerged, satellite news channels. These Arab news channels made America out to be an evil society who could care less if hundreds of thousands of their children died as long as we got their oil. This turned out to be an inadvertent recruitment tool for terrorism.

    In the meantime, we have the technology to add a new form of transportation energy in the form of electric cars. However, there is an entire segment of the population who have been convinced by their favorite talk show host to oppose anything except the oil monopoly if you love America and hate communism.

    So yes, if we weren't entangled in the Middle East over oil, I think the jihadists would be as concerned with US as they are Brazil.
    Ignorant about Islam.

    Apologist for Islam.

    No third option.

    Which one best describes you?


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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I don't know, but the results of the war demonstrate that the "know your enemy" phrase is an essential part of warfare.
    I agree.

    And if we'd better understood Islam beforehand, I believe we'd have done things differently or not invade at all.

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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I've wondered about that. Is it for the same reason they fled before the US forces, is it because of sympathy with the enemy, or is it a bit of both?
    A bit of both.

    I believe they know they are on the wrong side of Islamic doctrine and when confronted by 'righteous Islamic warriors they know they have no legitimacy. They are defending a democratic government. Not approved of by Mohammed. They are fighting FOR the Kafir's interests against the Holy Warriors. Not acceptable in Islam. They are acting as apostates and hypocrites, in support of Kafir ideologies, in league with Infidels who are "occupying" Holy ground, and bringing death to Muslim "innocents" and Mujahideen.

    They are judged guilty and the video production preceding the Jordanian pilot roast gives you all the theatrical framework needed to understand what I'm saying here.

    He was found guilty and that is the message ISIS wanted to convey to all others who would fight for Jahiliyyah governments.

    Jahiliyyah (Arabic: جاهلية‎ ǧāhiliyyah/jāhilīyah "ignorance") is an Islamic concept of "ignorance of divine guidance" or "the state of ignorance of the guidance from God" or "Days of Ignorance" referring to the barbaric condition in which Arabs found themselves in pre-Islamic Arabia (in the non-Islamic sense), i.e. ...
    Jahiliyyah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    And this is why they flee.

    They saw this in their mind's eye.

    And imagined it was them being judged, found guilty and being executed for their crimes against Islam.
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    Re: If we'd known the truth about Islam would we & should we have invaded Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That could happen.

    But, who would replace him?
    Kim Jong dos.

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