Please give 5 votes
John F. Kennedy
Lyndon B. Johnson
George H. W. Bush
George W. Bush
Please give 5 votes
This time, don't make it anonymous.
In the meantime, in order of preference (best first):
Edit: There you go. You made it anonymous again. Why'd you keep doing that? You want everyone to dismiss it straight away?
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So that would be among
We're supposed to pick the 5 best out of those 8? Rank them? What are you looking for?
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George H. W. Bush was a very good President, but I did not think that he is so popular.
Fine, I'll say it. Not a one of them gets the prize as "best president."
Each and every single one of them did one or more of the following. Diminished the concept of the individual and liberty, increased the scope and/or size of government to questionable results, added to or further harmed our confusing and hypocritical foreign policy causing down the road complications and cost, engaged in at least questionable but likely unethical behavior while in office, and/or increased this nation's Total Debt that someone else will eventually have to resolve.
Sorry ladies in gents, I do not think a one of them should rank even in the top 10 Presidents over this entire nation's history with the only exception being JFK. And he barely makes it, and only because of the company.
(For the purpose of this thread, JFK is the only vote I entered. And I am questioning if I should have even done that much.)
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here's my wall of text analysis. if you're going to go fiery hyperpartisan on me, i'll probably just ignore your post. i like intellectual exercises like this, and i love history. that is my motivation for responding to this thread. i hope that the result will be objective and less political than analytical. here we go.
JFK : JFK cut the stupidly high top marginal rate, which was at the point in the Laffer curve where cutting taxes actually helps. i like to think that he would have been less hawkish about Vietnam than Johnson, but i'm probably completely wrong. he handled the Cuban missile crisis, as well. i mean, that was like a for real, doomsday crisis. of course, he was also murdered by an insane asshole, which makes all of us look at him differently because it is just so ****ing sad.
Clinton : he managed not to **** up the 1990s too much. that was the last decade of the era when someone could theoretically graduate high school and be pretty sure that he or she could get a good job somewhere and succeed with dedication and hard work. he ****ed around in Iraq and in Serbia, but he didn't commit the US to a multi-decade war with no end in sight. DOMA was a big failure in hindsight, but it's a different society now. he also found the correct marginal rates, IMO.
Ronald Reagan : yeah, he engaged in trickle down bull****, but he really believed in it, and the top rate was at 70 percent. that's too high. other plusses : he didn't get us into a multi-decade war with no end in sight. he would also work with the other side of the aisle, and had a great personality. downside : borrow and spend. that set a bad precedent.
Johnson: civil rights and Great Society. the Vietnam war was just awful, though, and it clouds his legacy.
now, not on my list, but a president who i'm obviously referring to : George W. Bush. he engaged in trickle down bull**** at a point in the Laffer curve where it wouldn't work. worst of all, he signed us up for all of this war, and set a precedent that the US would be more heavily involved than anyone else every time the Middle East has a conflict, which is 24/7/365. he made a lot of very costly mistakes. even though i consider him to be close to the bottom of the list, a few accomplishments : i will give him credit for Medicare part D, which i support. he also had to lead the country after the horror of 9/11, and that must have been terribly difficult. he was also different than many other Republican politicians on immigration, and his plan was close to what i support. i also don't believe that he ever had nefarious intent. i do believe that he thought what he was doing was the right thing. however, as he said when he was running pre-9/11, we should not be in the business of nation building. since then, we have learned that this does not work in the Middle East. he should have corrected course, but hindsight is 20/20. Obama should have done a much better job explaining this to the American people. full disclosure : i voted for Bush in 2000. i stopped supporting him after the patriot act.
anyway, that's my take on it.
They are get an 'f' as far as I am concerned.
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