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Do you believe Bush was a good president?

Do you believe George W Bush was a good president?

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99percenter said:
I know its an asinine question. It would like like asking if Ryan leaf is good qb or if lebron james is the worst player in NBA history. He failed at ever aspect of his presidency and to think otherwise would be to completely ignore the results of his presidency. I don't know how anyone can objectively conclude after looking at the results of his presidency that he is anything but a bad president. Despite his presidency being a unmitigated disaster he seems to have a loyal following here.
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Fine. That is the rant. What do you think?
 
Jack Hays said:
The thread is about whether GWB was a good POTUS. Since BHO claimed victory and GWB did not, I suppose you'll agree that GWB was the better POTUS.
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I'm sure you'll disagree, but claiming "mission accomplished" is the same as claiming victory.
 
Jack Hays said:
The thread is about whether GWB was a good POTUS. Since BHO claimed victory and GWB did not, I suppose you'll agree that GWB was the better POTUS.
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GWB claimed Victory numerous times. Are you forgetting his 2003 speech where he indicated that major military operations have ended and that the US was victorious (not to mention the whole "Mission Accomplishmed" fiasco).
 
Jack Hays said:
Prior to Katrina, disaster response doctrine (for decades) was that the feds act in support of state and local authorities, who are presumed to know their states/localities better. Brownie was undercut by the complete disappearance of Louisiana and New Orleans efforts, giving the feds no one to support and no communication into the disaster zone. The press and media, frustrated by not being able to lay a glove on GWB over Iraq or anything else to that point, focused on Brownie to attack GWB. Brownie had in fact acted appropriately but he was jettisoned to relieve the political pressure.
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It was up to Governor Blanco to call out the National Guard, and Mayor Nagle's job was to make sure his city was prepared. Remember all the floating buses?

So many of the people criticizing at the time had no knowledge nor experience themselves with hurricanes. The fact is that you never know what a hurricane will decide to do. Another fact is that it's stupid to send rescue personnel into a hurricane.

Galveston remembered its great tragedy early in the 20th century and has always drilled its citizens. This preparedness was demonstrated during Rita, when, in a matter of an hour or so, John Sealy and Shriner patients as well as those in nursing homes were safely evacuated.
 
disneydude said:
GWB claimed Victory numerous times. Are you forgetting his 2003 speech where he indicated that major military operations have ended and that the US was victorious (not to mention the whole "Mission Accomplishmed" fiasco).
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disneydude said:
He'll deny that was ever said.
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Long ago, and conceded inaccurate by continued military engagement.
 
Jack Hays said:
Prior to Katrina, disaster response doctrine (for decades) was that the feds act in support of state and local authorities, who are presumed to know their states/localities better. Brownie was undercut by the complete disappearance of Louisiana and New Orleans efforts, giving the feds no one to support and no communication into the disaster zone. The press and media, frustrated by not being able to lay a glove on GWB over Iraq or anything else to that point, focused on Brownie to attack GWB. Brownie had in fact acted appropriately but he was jettisoned to relieve the political pressure.
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:agree
 
Ikari said:
Mmmm, I doubt you have the capacity for teaching, but that aside. Bush and Obama are essentially the same President and the next we get, R or D, will be the same.
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:thumbdown
 
Tazmanian Devil said:
He set the tone for the 21st Century.

Here's another example of something Bushy did which NO ONE EVER talks about.

He kept Muslims safe in America after 9/11 when the Bubba Force was ready to target every Muslim in sight.

He made nice with Jihadists (either in ignorance or as a deft act of political wisdom) in the White House after 9/11 and convinced most Americans not to see Muslims as the enemy inside our country,
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When Obama sounds conciliatory towards Muslims he's weak and Muslim lover who's purposely trying to turn the country into a Islamic Republic. When Bush did it you conservatives pat him on the back.

Can't take anything you guys say seriously anymore. You've taken hypocrisy, and your hatred of Obama to a whole new level.
 
radcen said:
I'm sure you'll disagree, but claiming "mission accomplished" is the same as claiming victory.
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I'm sure someone else here has probably already said this but what the heck?

Bush was not responsible for the crew making and hanging the "Mission Accomplished" banner on the superstructure of the aircraft carrier.

Secondly, Bushy said that major ground operations were concluded and that was correct.

Only airheads and ignorami believe(d) otherwise.
 
disneydude said:
GWB claimed Victory numerous times. Are you forgetting his 2003 speech where he indicated that major military operations have ended and that the US was victorious (not to mention the whole "Mission Accomplishmed" fiasco).
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In 1998 B.J. Clinton signed into law the Iraqi Liberation Act. which made regime change our nation's official policy toward Iraq.

After much fighting in 2003, the coalition forces were successful in deposing the Saddam regime.

They defeated the world's 5th largest army to do so.

That was no piece of cake, and it was the successful completion of the mission.

How can anyone still be so ignorant of the facts when they have at their fingertips the combined knowledge and wisdom of mankind since the beginning of recorded time?

:lamo
 
Jack Hays said:
Long ago, and conceded inaccurate by continued military engagement.
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Major ground operations means uniformed forces going at each other in battle using armor, artillery and infantry.

The fighting that took place thereafter was asymmetric warfare, by irregular combatants without the common modern implements of warfare.

Apples and oranges.

Bushy was right.
 
disneydude said:
He claimed Victory when he left office
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George W. Bush in 2007 warning about the consequences of pulling out of Iraq too early
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George W. Bush in 2007 warning about the consequences of pulling out of Iraq too early
Published on Sep 6, 2014

Megyn Kelly reminds her viewers of warnings back in 2007 from President Bush of what would happen if we withdrew from Iraq, that epitomize what is happening right now under the Obama administration. Bush claimed that the withdrawal of U.S. troops before “our commanders tell us we are ready, would be dangerous for Iraq, for the regions, and for the United States.”

“It would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al Queda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale.

It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan.

It would mean increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous.”

As we all well know, this is exactly what happened. It was even part of Obama’s campaign. He ordered a complete withdrawal, and exactly everything that Bush warmed us about has happened under the watch of Obama.

ISIS is much more “dangerous” than al Queda, and they are far more brutal. They constantly behead and orchestrate the mass killing of women, children, and Christians. And do so for all to see via social media.

Their “safe haven” happens to be the caliphate they established and are imposing on surrounding countries, forcing them to convert to Islam or die.

The warnings Bush gave were so prophetic that they are chilling. Why did our leaders not heed his warnings? Why would Obama disregard his commanders and allow for this to take place? Was this a calculated decision on his part, or was it just ignorance?
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Bushy was right.

WTF would the left believe without RW'ers here to correct their every bizarre notion?

:doh
 
Tazmanian Devil said:
Major ground operations means uniformed forces going at each other in battle using armor, artillery and infantry.

The fighting that took place thereafter was asymmetric warfare, by irregular combatants without the common modern implements of warfare.

Apples and oranges.

Bushy was right.
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You may have a professional point, but it's probably not politically useful.
 
Jack Hays said:
You may have a professional point, but it's probably not politically useful.
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The facts are always useful.

Truth is its own reward.

Plato (ca. May 21? 427 BC ca. 347 BC) was an immensely influential classical Greek philosopher, student of Socrates, teacher of Aristotle, writer of philosophical dialogues, and founder of the Academy in Athens.
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