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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    I'm a constitutionalist, i.e. a true republican; as such, I necessarily aligned with conservatives against the obviously vile liberals and Democratic Party.

    That said, conservatives have really gone off the reservation and morphed almost fully into neocons. As neocons, they are committed to war, war, and more war; and to building up the domestic police state - not to mention conveniently handing over victory after victory to the progressives as they bankrupt our country and build up their version of the nanny state.

    Those are the acceptable parameters within which each of the Establishment parties operates as they enslave us (for our own good) under a fascist police/nanny state.

    For those of us who love liberty and freedom - there is nowhere left to turn.

    Those things said, George Bush was a terrible President. As is Obama, as was Clinton, and so on...

    The only decent President we've had since Howard Taft (only b/c he resisted the Money Trust to whatever extent) was Kennedy; and, when he defied the Establishment he paid for it with his life.

    America is broke, our Constitution is in tatters, the citizens have been dumbed down into morons... America is all-but dead.
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    If the millions getting freebies wake up one morning to find they have been discontinued, or even cut, watch out! It will be turmoil piled on confusion and anger, and we've had examples recently of what that looks like, and it will be nationwide when it happens. In America? It seems some things cannot be taught - they must be learned, sometimes through bitter experience, IMO. We've had examples throughout history, Rome being a good example, but there are too many recent ones to ignore the possibility of it happening here - Germany, Zimbabwe, Argentina, etc.

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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good afternoon AO - hope all is well,

    And you're absolutely right. Many forget that America and the "coalition of the willing" were welcomed as liberators in Iraq following the surrender of Baghdad. However, what is also forgotten and conflated as "losing the war" or Iraqis not supporting the US is the disastrous job Paul Bremer, the US head of state in Iraq following the war, who totally botched the victory. He not only sent home, with their guns, the entire Iraqi military, but he also allowed roving bands of the lawless to loot and destroy much of the city's and the country's treasures and he thus lost complete control of the situation. There were hundreds of thousands of armed soldiers, with no work and no prospects, left to fend for themselves without any organization or guidance and thus the country devolved into chaos and sectarian violence. Rumsfield put Bremer in place, so I blame his inattention and poor planning as well. But ultimately it has to rest on Bush's shoulders although I don't blame him personally. His Secretary of Defense and his Secretary of State both failed him when it mattered most.
    That is for sure, though I will give Rumsfield credit for acknowledging their mistake in not disarming the Republican Guard, and their failure to anticipate the lawlessness that naturally resulted in the vacuum created by Saddam's ouster and the failure of the US to immediately set up a military government of sorts. But alas, that too often is the pattern since WWII. We no longer fight wars to win and then we set the terms for how the country will regain its autonomy. We just fight them and at some point stop fighting them. That pattern has existed long before George Bush was elected President.
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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I know its an asinine question. It would like like asking if Ryan leaf is good qb or if lebron james is the worst player in NBA history. He failed at ever aspect of his presidency and to think otherwise would be to completely ignore the results of his presidency. I don't know how anyone can objectively conclude after looking at the results of his presidency that he is anything but a bad president. Despite his presidency being a unmitigated disaster he seems to have a loyal following here.
    He was a thug who had his daddy in his pocket and GW hired other thugs to work for him. The presidency was the worst in American history and we are still paying a very heavy price for it.


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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Bush was an okay president. Not great. Not bad. He's not popular on the internet because his base is and was conservative suburban Americans that don't generally frequent internet political forums as urban liberals do, hence he's extremely unpopular on the internet yet that's not exactly surprising.

    If you look at the Bush vrs Kerry election (and I was active on political forums then, I remember how it was), Kerry was extremely popular on the internet and on internet forums and among liberal media types yet was extremely unpopular in American suburbs just as Hillary is now.


    You have the same phenomena repeating itself from the Kerry Vrs Bush election. Hillary is extremely popular among liberals on the internet yet extremely unpopular among suburban Americans off the internet. We know how that turned out for Kerry. We'll have to see if Hillary can somehow defy Kerry's doom.


    Do consider though that based on the Kerry Vrs Bush election, the fact that Bush is losing this internet poll probably actually is a good thing for his actual popularity level compared to a bad thing because essentially internet political forums (and this one is no exception) are filled with antagonized liberals or liberals sympathizers that don't represent a majority of Americans.
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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    We were treated like liberators. In fact even the leftwing press admitted that it was working for awhile and was having positive effect on other ME countries. How short a memory the American people have. What they didn't figure on was the rise and persistence of the Islamic terrorist organizations. Miscalculation? Absolutely. Worst foreign policy blunder? Not by a long shot.
    Treated like liberators? WTF are you listening to? I suspect nothing but the right-wing propogandists because that isn't even close to being true. You need to turn off your radio and do a little research because if you believe what you wrote you are completely fooled.

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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I know its an asinine question. It would like like asking if Ryan leaf is good qb or if lebron james is the worst player in NBA history. He failed at ever aspect of his presidency and to think otherwise would be to completely ignore the results of his presidency. I don't know how anyone can objectively conclude after looking at the results of his presidency that he is anything but a bad president. Despite his presidency being a unmitigated disaster he seems to have a loyal following here.
    GW Bush admitted that he is a C student. UT declined to admit him due to mediocre grades. But he got into Harvard under "special circumstances" so the story goes. If he had been a A student perhaps the problems now in the ME would not have developed.

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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glowpun View Post
    GW Bush admitted that he is a C student. UT declined to admit him due to mediocre grades. But he got into Harvard under "special circumstances" so the story goes. If he had been a A student perhaps the problems now in the ME would not have developed.
    Pure speculation, I think.

    First of all, if you are relying on a "story", your info is likely hogwash. Second of all, being an A student has nothing to do with preventing problems in the ME from developing. Heck, look at Obama and the problems HE'S let develop.

    Of course, we don't really KNOW what kind of grades Obama got, do we? Maybe he was a C student, too.
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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Treated like liberators? WTF are you listening to? I suspect nothing but the right-wing propogandists because that isn't even close to being true. You need to turn off your radio and do a little research because if you believe what you wrote you are completely fooled.
    Okay, just ignore the photo and video evidence and all the links provided to support my opinion about that. You are welcome to provide any rebuttal you can find, but you won't be able to find much during and immediately following our entry into Baghdad.
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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    [QUOTE=nota bene;1064695587]You remember right:
    The purple finger remains a hopeful symbol in Iraq, as Iraqis go to the polls
    | Public Radio International
    [/QUOTEen theiv]



    And what have those purple fingers given the Iraqi people?

    Fill us in.

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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I don't care about Bush either way... the point is that just as we later found out that Bush made his Iraq decision based off of bad intelligence, at the time it seemed like the right decision. Time gives a more accurate perspective on these things. That said, historians are generally Liberal... that, coupled with the lack of transparency and the media sucking Obama's dick every day leads me to not care at all what the current presidential scholars conclude. If Obama turns out to be great or not according to them in 50 doesn't bother me although I think some of his major policies are crap.
    No, he did not base his decision off bad intelligence, but rather was unable to find good intelligence to support his bad decision.

    The desire to go into Iraq existed before 9/11, which provided the cover to actually do it. Iraq was not about WMD. That was simply a selling point that a fear-based American electorate could wrap their feeble minds around in the wake of 9/11.

    No, Iraq was about a much grander scheme. It was a misguided NeoCon idea that it was ripe for democratization and could be a center-piece of a democratic tsunami in the middle east and a legacy for the Bush presidency...

    http://carnegieendowment.org/files/Policybrief20.pdf
    Democracy and Demagoguery in the Middle East | Cato Institute

    .... at least he was right about the legacy.
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