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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I could post links to books that say just the opposite....but to what avail?

    The reality is, Iraq is what it is today because GWB/Cheney/Rumsfield completely miscalculated the invasion and what the aftermath would be. Sorry....that's just the facts.
    If we go by miscalculation or misjudging enemy response to a military action, what President escapes unscathed from that kind of criticism?

    FDR and Truman administrations cost millions of American lives via miscalculations in WWII and Korea. Eisenhower sent the first military advisors to Vietnam, Kennedy greatly escalated that effort and opened the door for greater US military involvement, Johnson moved us into full blown war that would cost more than 58,000 American lives, Nixon and Ford managed to disentangle us from that war but did so by abandoning our allies. Carter had the Iranian hostage situation to contend with. Reagan had the terrorist attack on our forces in Beirut. GHWB was successful with Desert Storm but has been criticized forever since for 'not finishing the job' when he could have. Clinton deal with multiple terrorist attacks including the World Trade Center, Oklahoma City, the Cole et al plus the terrible misfire in Somalia that saw the bodies of our Rangers dragged through the streets. The GW Bush Administration has accepted full responsibility and freely admits they misjudged Saddam's Republican Guard when they chose not to disarm them following our initial victory in Iraq. That same Republican Guard reformed into the insurgency that opened the door to infiltration of more terrorists. And Obama's military record? Not exactly stellar.

    So criticism for everybody. But disqualifying if they don't get everything right? Then nobody is qualified.
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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    I probably speak for most people in the UK in saying that anything that George W Bush and Tony Blair did will forever be tarnished by the Iraq War. To my knowledge, neither has ever apologised to the peoples of Iraq and, less importantly, our countries and the UN for this war crime. They have escaped punishment simply because our countries are powerful, not for any good reason.

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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    If we go by miscalculation or misjudging enemy response to a military action, what President escapes unscathed from that kind of criticism?

    FDR and Truman administrations cost millions of American lives via miscalculations in WWII and Korea. Eisenhower sent the first military advisors to Vietnam, Kennedy greatly escalated that effort and opened the door for greater US military involvement, Johnson moved us into full blown war that would cost more than 58,000 American lives, Nixon and Ford managed to disentangle us from that war but did so by abandoning our allies. Carter had the Iranian hostage situation to contend with. Reagan had the terrorist attack on our forces in Beirut. GHWB was successful with Desert Storm but has been criticized forever since for 'not finishing the job' when he could have. Clinton deal with multiple terrorist attacks including the World Trade Center, Oklahoma City, the Cole et al plus the terrible misfire in Somalia that saw the bodies of our Rangers dragged through the streets. The GW Bush Administration has accepted full responsibility and freely admits they misjudged Saddam's Republican Guard when they chose not to disarm them following our initial victory in Iraq. That same Republican Guard reformed into the insurgency that opened the door to infiltration of more terrorists. And Obama's military record? Not exactly stellar.

    So criticism for everybody. But disqualifying if they don't get everything right? Then nobody is qualified.
    Greetings, AlbuOwl.

    Excellent response! Well thought out, and well written!

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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    I voted no. His intentions of going into Iraq were announced before he became president. Sounds like premeditated murder to me since hundreds of thousands of innocents were killed because of the phony WMD lies. Then of course, the use of torture should be enough to cinch it as his being not only not a good president, but a horrible one at that.

    CNN.com - O'Neill: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11 - Jan. 14, 2004

    New Documents Show Bush Administration Planned War In Iraq Well Before 9/11/2001 | Crooks and Liars

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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Amongst current presidential scholars, Obama is viewed quite favorably; a better than average President, about on par with Reagan.

    Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Bush, OTH, not so much....
    I don't care about Bush either way... the point is that just as we later found out that Bush made his Iraq decision based off of bad intelligence, at the time it seemed like the right decision. Time gives a more accurate perspective on these things. That said, historians are generally Liberal... that, coupled with the lack of transparency and the media sucking Obama's dick every day leads me to not care at all what the current presidential scholars conclude. If Obama turns out to be great or not according to them in 50 doesn't bother me although I think some of his major policies are crap.
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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    If we go by miscalculation or misjudging enemy response to a military action, what President escapes unscathed from that kind of criticism?

    FDR and Truman administrations cost millions of American lives via miscalculations in WWII and Korea. Eisenhower sent the first military advisors to Vietnam, Kennedy greatly escalated that effort and opened the door for greater US military involvement, Johnson moved us into full blown war that would cost more than 58,000 American lives, Nixon and Ford managed to disentangle us from that war but did so by abandoning our allies. Carter had the Iranian hostage situation to contend with. Reagan had the terrorist attack on our forces in Beirut. GHWB was successful with Desert Storm but has been criticized forever since for 'not finishing the job' when he could have. Clinton deal with multiple terrorist attacks including the World Trade Center, Oklahoma City, the Cole et al plus the terrible misfire in Somalia that saw the bodies of our Rangers dragged through the streets. The GW Bush Administration has accepted full responsibility and freely admits they misjudged Saddam's Republican Guard when they chose not to disarm them following our initial victory in Iraq. That same Republican Guard reformed into the insurgency that opened the door to infiltration of more terrorists. And Obama's military record? Not exactly stellar.

    So criticism for everybody. But disqualifying if they don't get everything right? Then nobody is qualified.
    What you are trying to argue is that every miscalculation and error is the same. Iraq was a major blunder of epic proportions, unlike the errors that you speak of. If Cheney/Rumsfield had done their homework we would not have the mess that we have today. They expected that we would be treated as liberators and expected to be in an out in under 6 months. Iraq is probably one of the worst blunders of foreign policy in our history.

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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What you are trying to argue is that every miscalculation and error is the same. Iraq was a major blunder of epic proportions, unlike the errors that you speak of. If Cheney/Rumsfield had done their homework we would not have the mess that we have today. They expected that we would be treated as liberators and expected to be in an out in under 6 months.
    Iraq is probably one of the worst blunders of foreign policy in our history.


    It will be the main reason that historians (Most of them are liberals.)will rank G.W. Bush as one of the worst presidents.

    Notice that I didn't say the worst, but he's certainly down there in that territory.

    Obama,OTOH, will end up ranked somewhere in the middle.

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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Bush was a decent guy.
    Bad communicator.
    I did not agree with some of his decisions.
    No matter how cynical I become toward politicians, it's never enough.

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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I know its an asinine question. It would like like asking if Ryan leaf is good qb or if lebron james is the worst player in NBA history. He failed at ever aspect of his presidency and to think otherwise would be to completely ignore the results of his presidency. I don't know how anyone can objectively conclude after looking at the results of his presidency that he is anything but a bad president. Despite his presidency being a unmitigated disaster he seems to have a loyal following here.
    Diehard GWB supporters will always be found especially if you're going to compare him to the current occupant, President Barack Obama. There are some Americans who would rather have Bush several times over than to ever have an Obama, whom they believe possess no legitimate right to the US presidency.

    I do believe GWB's presidency was one of the worse in history if only because so many US military died (4,500) for the wrong reason, the illegal invasion of Iraq. Also, the dismantling of the Iraqi structure which Saddam Hussein had in place to keep Iraqi ethnic factions from warring against each other which they are currently now doing. Not to elaborate on the many innocent Iraqis killed, the displaced people still going on today.

    Yet, ironically, I do not blame GWB himself but his handlers...the architechs of the Iraq invasion, namely the neocons headed by the de Facto president, Dick Cheney, whose sole purpose was control of the oil well contracts and profiteering for Halliburton. George W Bush was completely unqualified to be president of the US. His family's money and powerful influential friends along with a partisan United States Supreme Court stole the election from Gore, giving it to Bush. Bush, for all intent and purposes, did not fully understand what was going on in his own administration until the middle of his second term. Condoleezza Rice, his Security Council advisor in the first term, fell down on the job, and it was written by Richard Clarke, the GWB's Terrorist Czar, that the position was just too much for her and that she was a follower as opposed to being a leader. Any good the W administration did has been outweighted by the resulting ongoing fighting amid innocent lost lives which continues to this day. ISI is a consequence of a failed Iraq. Yet there are some in the congress who want our Military to return as fodder in Iraq, to be killed fighting a senseless war. But one must not dismiss the reality that America broke Iraq,(General Colin Powell) and in a sense they are responsible for the eventual outcome, to making sure Iraq becomes stable once again.
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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Atiya View Post
    Diehard GWB supporters will always be found especially if you're going to compare him to the current occupant, President Barack Obama. There are some Americans who would rather have Bush several times over than to ever have an Obama, whom they believe possess no legitimate right to the US presidency.

    I do believe GWB's presidency was one of the worse in history if only because so many US military died (4,500) for the wrong reason, the illegal invasion of Iraq. Also, the dismantling of the Iraqi structure which Saddam Hussein had in place to keep Iraqi ethnic factions from warring against each other which they are currently now doing. Not to elaborate on the many innocent Iraqis killed, the displaced people still going on today.

    Yet, ironically, I do not blame GWB himself but his handlers...the architechs of the Iraq invasion, namely the neocons headed by the de Facto president, Dick Cheney, whose sole purpose was control of the oil well contracts and profiteering for Halliburton. George W Bush was completely unqualified to be president of the US. His family's money and powerful influential friends along with a partisan United States Supreme Court stole the election from Gore, giving it to Bush. Bush, for all intent and purposes, did not fully understand what was going on in his own administration until the middle of his second term. Condoleezza Rice, his Security Council advisor in the first term, fell down on the job, and it was written by Richard Clarke, the GWB's Terrorist Czar, that the position was just too much for her and that she was a follower as opposed to being a leader. Any good the W administration did has been outweighted by the resulting ongoing fighting amid innocent lost lives which continues to this day. ISI is a consequence of a failed Iraq. Yet there are some in the congress who want our Military to return as fodder in Iraq, to be killed fighting a senseless war. But one must not dismiss the reality that America broke Iraq,(General Colin Powell) and in a sense they are responsible for the eventual outcome, to making sure Iraq becomes stable once again.
    No US oil company ever made a dime from Iraqi oil. Halliburton, an oilfield services company, likewise never made any money from Iraqi oil. GWB was very much in charge of his administration, as was driven home to Cheney in the Scooter Libby affair. As for the 2000 election, I believe 13 of 14 recounts sponsored by various private groups and publications (including the New York Times) found that GWB won the state fair and square.
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