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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So just curious are you short selling now?
    I'm not in the market at all.

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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tazmanian Devil View Post
    I haven't the time nor inclination to educate you at the moment.

    But you have a lot to learn.
    Mmmm, I doubt you have the capacity for teaching, but that aside. Bush and Obama are essentially the same President and the next we get, R or D, will be the same.
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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    For sure. I don't think....actually, I never thought, Bush II was the devil liberals made him out to be. He is, in my opinion, just a another president, in an increasingly long list of presidents, that the history books will devote a paragraph or so to in middle school, and that will be that. He won't be remember, either positively or negatively, beyond these next two generations or not. He's no Lincoln, no FDR, no Teddy, no Ike. He's just...blah. He did the job, the job ended, and he went home.
    Wow. A rational assessment of Bush II on DP. Who'da thunk it?

    Needless to say, I completely agree. He's probably going to be remembered as just another President.
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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Wow. A rational assessment of Bush II on DP. Who'da thunk it?

    Needless to say, I completely agree. He's probably going to be remembered as just another President.
    He set the tone for the 21st Century.

    And even though it wasn't a perfect tone nor a perfect administration, it was more right than wrong and more effective than not and more conciliatory and hopeful than many of his haters deserve.

    Here's another example of something Bushy did which NO ONE EVER talks about.

    He kept Muslims safe in America after 9/11 when the Bubba Force was ready to target every Muslim in sight.

    He made nice with Jihadists (either in ignorance or as a deft act of political wisdom) in the White House after 9/11 and convinced most Americans not to see Muslims as the enemy inside our country, even though, technically, they are.

    And to really issue a chill pill to even the most reactionary US Patriots, he enacted the Patriot Act.

    It was a STRONG dose of medicine which even made loyal Americans ill (figuratively?) because of its intrusiveness, and it was strong enough to convince those who might have otherwise taken the law into their own hands, that there was no need to do that. The Federal Government was taking aggressive action to keep us safe from jihad.

    Only that was sufficient to keep a lid on domestic Patriotic tempers.

    Every single Muslim in America owes his and her safety since 9/11 DIRECTLY to W's actions and decisions and policies.

    He was a better president than most of us realize and better than most deserved.

    And as a bonus benefit, anyone who has read or viewed enough of Dr. Bill Warner's work knows that the Koran mandates that Muslims come to the aid of other Muslims who are under attack especially when they are attacked for their religion and especially under attack by "Amerreekan Christians".

    If hundreds of Muslims in America were killed by Bubbas every American Muslim would be compelled to go active Jihadist as their religious duty requires and Jihadists from all over the globe would go on the war path.

    And that would have been ugly and life affecting for every one of us and in ways you can not even imagine.

    Bushy deftly avoided ALL of that.

    How much more significant could a POTUS be?

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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I read a great deal which is why I understand the issues. I don't know of anyone (with at least a fringe of credibility) who would say that a victory in Iraq was ever achieved. The goalposts were constantly changed to measure success and the goals of the invasion changed more than Mitt Romney changed positions.
    Both BHO and VP Biden applauded the Iraq victory in 2011, even as they undermined it. The book I linked in this thread explains how they threw that victory away.
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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Uh-oh, someone's been listening to Sean Hannity again.

    As to the OP, Bush is near the bottom. He's just a little above Reagan, who died on this day in 2004, eleven years ago. So sad.
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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Both BHO and VP Biden applauded the Iraq victory in 2011, even as they undermined it. The book I linked in this thread explains how they threw that victory away.
    You start with a faulty premise....so your conclusion is faulty as well. There never was a "victory" in Iraq. Sorry to burst your bubble. GWB tried to claim victory...but that was simply to try to make himself look better on the way out the door, knowing full well that he was leaving a mess for the next guy to clean up. I don't know of any credible foreign policy expert that would claim there was ever a "victory" in Iraq. Quite the contrary....most have said that "Victory" was never really achievable because if you understood the factions going into it, you would know that destablilzing Iraq would be the catalyst for groups like ISIS to form. Cheney/Rumsfield and GWB didn't do their homework. They had the faulty notion that the US would be greeted as "liberators" and that they would be able to establish a US supported democratic government there. This was never a possibility. Thus....once they started the ball rolling there was no way to ever get it back and anyone who still to this day believes that Victory was EVER achievable, let alone actually achieved, is either ignorant or a fool.

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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    You're doing a heck of a job Brownie. Remember those words?
    Prior to Katrina, disaster response doctrine (for decades) was that the feds act in support of state and local authorities, who are presumed to know their states/localities better. Brownie was undercut by the complete disappearance of Louisiana and New Orleans efforts, giving the feds no one to support and no communication into the disaster zone. The press and media, frustrated by not being able to lay a glove on GWB over Iraq or anything else to that point, focused on Brownie to attack GWB. Brownie had in fact acted appropriately but he was jettisoned to relieve the political pressure.
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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Yeah I should really refrain from answering page 1 posts in a 15 page thread without before actually reading the whole damn thing..........
    No worries. I do that all the time. Even in RL, I'm the guy that has no problem interjecting myself in the middle of a conversation.

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    Re: Do you believe Bush was a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You start with a faulty premise....so your conclusion is faulty as well. There never was a "victory" in Iraq. Sorry to burst your bubble. GWB tried to claim victory...but that was simply to try to make himself look better on the way out the door, knowing full well that he was leaving a mess for the next guy to clean up. I don't know of any credible foreign policy expert that would claim there was ever a "victory" in Iraq. Quite the contrary....most have said that "Victory" was never really achievable because if you understood the factions going into it, you would know that destablilzing Iraq would be the catalyst for groups like ISIS to form. Cheney/Rumsfield and GWB didn't do their homework. They had the faulty notion that the US would be greeted as "liberators" and that they would be able to establish a US supported democratic government there. This was never a possibility. Thus....once they started the ball rolling there was no way to ever get it back and anyone who still to this day believes that Victory was EVER achievable, let alone actually achieved, is either ignorant or a fool.
    BHO and Biden both claimed victory, not GWB. You really should take a look at the book I linked.
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