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    Re: Does the crowded GOP potus candidates field risk there being an unpopular nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Perhaps some might be a bit more inclined to be satisfied with no. 2 after the internecine mess of 2012 probably cost them the White House.
    It's not impossible. But also, Republican victories in the States have given us a deeper bench. Democrats are a bit thinner, there.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Does the crowded GOP potus candidates field risk there being an unpopular nominee

    There is that risk, yes. Last go around, the base split its vote a few different ways, which parted the seas for Romney who, aside from Gingrich, was largely running unopposed in the moderate to reform conservative camp. That being said, you have much stronger candidates this time around and a feeling of inevitability which may help a more flavorful candidate emerge victorious.

    I'm more interested in promoting the reformicon message. I'm more of a David Brooks style Republican, so while I have my disagreements with the existing reformicons, they have something worthwhile to me. It's to a large extent domestic policy neoconservatism 2.0. Now, ordinarily, I would support someone like Rubio, but Rubio is far too young for me. Jeb Bush, while being knocked for being more moderate (which is both true and not in this election), has the ear of reform conservatives. So too does Rubio, and Walker has occasionally shown interest as well. Panel Discussion Room Grow | Video | C-SPAN.org Future Conservatism | Video | C-SPAN.org Bush Taps Leading Reformocon as Policy Aide | National Review Online Republican Conservative

    To some extent, the grouping that I have an interest in seeing succeed in conservative circles are going to have an ear in a large chunk of this primary process.
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    Re: Does the crowded GOP potus candidates field risk there being an unpopular nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Rubio is pretty much down the line conservative. The one area where people would fault him (immigration), Jeb is far worse. Paul is libertarian, but personally shallow.

    The point about both was less that they were more conservative than Jeb (though I think each could make a solid and accurate argument for being so), but rather that they would take conservative voters, whereas Jeb is going to take the moderate/liberal voters.
    I could be wrong, and stand to be corrected, but Jeb Bush is far more in line with social conservatives in the Republican Party than either Rubio and Paul, he's just quietly so. He will be attractive to social conservatives, when the likes of Huckabee and Santorum inevitably drop out, in a way that Paul definitely and Rubio likely will not. Add to that his perception as a moderate, simply because he isn't strident, and you have the recipe for a conservative Republican President who can garner the support of the Reagan Democrats, to the extent they still exist.
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    Re: Does the crowded GOP potus candidates field risk there being an unpopular nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It does concern me. There is a possibility that Jeb wins with a small plurality, as conservatives split their votes among Walker, Rubio, and (for our more libertarian types) Paul.
    We can only hope! =D

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    Re: Does the crowded GOP potus candidates field risk there being an unpopular nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    We can only hope! =D
    if you want Hillary to win in the lowest-turnout election for decades. I don't think I'm that far out on the right (though I'm fairly conservative), but I won't vote for Jeb, and I live in a swing state.

    A Jeb Candidacy is a perfect opportunity for a Third Party candidate to pull a Ross Perot / Ralph Nader
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Does the crowded GOP potus candidates field risk there being an unpopular nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I could be wrong, and stand to be corrected, but Jeb Bush is far more in line with social conservatives in the Republican Party than either Rubio and Paul, he's just quietly so. He will be attractive to social conservatives, when the likes of Huckabee and Santorum inevitably drop out, in a way that Paul definitely and Rubio likely will not. Add to that his perception as a moderate, simply because he isn't strident, and you have the recipe for a conservative Republican President who can garner the support of the Reagan Democrats, to the extent they still exist.
    Jeb loses social conservatives with his Immigration stance and with Common Core (of which he is a big proponent, but which social conservatives actively loathe. Ditto for Huckabee); Rubio is actually slightly more socially conservative. Interestingly, Rubio is still able to present his positions more cheerfully and gracefully, whereas Jeb seems to carry around the same disdain for his base that helped doom Huntsman.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Does the crowded GOP potus candidates field risk there being an unpopular nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Jeb loses social conservatives with his Immigration stance and with Common Core (of which he is a big proponent, but which social conservatives actively loathe. Ditto for Huckabee); Rubio is actually slightly more socially conservative. Interestingly, Rubio is still able to present his positions more cheerfully and gracefully, whereas Jeb seems to carry around the same disdain for his base that helped doom Huntsman.
    I'm slightly confused at the suggestion that Common Core is a truly "social" issue rather than a more typical dialogue about the scope of government in government affairs.

    Oh well, I find it rather sad. Common Core is an ineffective means of pressuring schools to do better. Nevertheless it seems that conservatives have lost the guts to use government to ram reform through the schools like they used to. The Reagan administration was perfectly happy with the concept of putting more standardization and pressure on the schools to properly utilize tax payer money.

    This was a conservative education movement, but now they are ceding ground to liberals.
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    Re: Does the crowded GOP potus candidates field risk there being an unpopular nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Jeb loses social conservatives with his Immigration stance and with Common Core (of which he is a big proponent, but which social conservatives actively loathe. Ditto for Huckabee); Rubio is actually slightly more socially conservative. Interestingly, Rubio is still able to present his positions more cheerfully and gracefully, whereas Jeb seems to carry around the same disdain for his base that helped doom Huntsman.
    If Rubio was the heavy-weight you seem to believe he is, he would have carried much more of the day and the party with him when he made his immigration reform proposals. People saw him in action - he lacked the conviction of his principles and he caved when the going got rough and he was basically non-existent in the year and a half after that mess. On the other hand, Jeb Bush has the conviction of his principles and he lays out his position for all to see and he doesn't back away from them when the going gets rough. He's prepared to say "this is what I believe we should do" - if you're with me, great - if you're not with me, there are other candidates that may be better for you. He's not in it to be President so he can say he's President and he won the election - that's for the Obama's of the world - Bush is in it to try to get some things done that he thinks are important. He may not get there, but I hope he does.
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