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    Re: Does the crowded GOP potus candidates field risk there being an unpopular nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It does concern me. There is a possibility that Jeb wins with a small plurality, as conservatives split their votes among Walker, Rubio, and (for our more libertarian types) Paul.
    I might grant you Walker here, not knowing all of his positions on important issues, but you'll have to fill me in on how Rubio and Paul are more conservative than Jeb Bush.
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    Re: Does the crowded GOP potus candidates field risk there being an unpopular nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I might grant you Walker here, not knowing all of his positions on important issues, but you'll have to fill me in on how Rubio and Paul are more conservative than Jeb Bush.
    Rubio is pretty much down the line conservative. The one area where people would fault him (immigration), Jeb is far worse. Paul is libertarian, but personally shallow.

    The point about both was less that they were more conservative than Jeb (though I think each could make a solid and accurate argument for being so), but rather that they would take conservative voters, whereas Jeb is going to take the moderate/liberal voters.
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    Re: Does the crowded GOP potus candidates field risk there being an unpopular nominee

    The circus last time certainly seemed to hurt Romney. A whole lot of posters here described him as a "hold your nose" kind of candidate. A vigorous primary debate can serve to forge policy and bring a party together through compromise. Mudslinging and No True Scotsman-ing splits people apart. Maybe it's wishful thinking that the Democrats will do the former, but Republicans definitely do the latter.
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    Re: Does the crowded GOP potus candidates field risk there being an unpopular nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The circus last time certainly seemed to hurt Romney. A whole lot of posters here described him as a "hold your nose" kind of candidate. A vigorous primary debate can serve to forge policy and bring a party together through compromise. Mudslinging and No True Scotsman-ing splits people apart. Maybe it's wishful thinking that the Democrats will do the former, but Republicans definitely do the latter.
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    Re: Does the crowded GOP potus candidates field risk there being an unpopular nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The circus last time certainly seemed to hurt Romney. A whole lot of posters here described him as a "hold your nose" kind of candidate. A vigorous primary debate can serve to forge policy and bring a party together through compromise. Mudslinging and No True Scotsman-ing splits people apart. Maybe it's wishful thinking that the Democrats will do the former, but Republicans definitely do the latter.
    With a bigger field, the coalition fractures. Everyone falls in love with THEIR GUY and resents the winner when THEIR GUY loses.
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    Re: Does the crowded GOP potus candidates field risk there being an unpopular nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The circus last time certainly seemed to hurt Romney. A whole lot of posters here described him as a "hold your nose" kind of candidate.
    Sort of like how folks are looking at Hillary now, though she lacks (at this time) major serious competition. I think that might change when/if she ends up in a debate.

    A vigorous primary debate can serve to forge policy and bring a party together through compromise. Mudslinging and No True Scotsman-ing splits people apart.
    True enough. That's why I waver on whether or not I wish Rand Paul would just shut up and go away. He has the power to bring in new folks, but he can't stop himself from spitting at all the old ones. The other GOPers' could lead a coalition, though Jeb's or Christie's would be the hold-your-nose variety.

    Maybe it's wishful thinking that the Democrats will do the former, but Republicans definitely do the latter.
    we'll see.
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    Re: Does the crowded GOP potus candidates field risk there being an unpopular nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Rubio is pretty much down the line conservative. The one area where people would fault him (immigration), Jeb is far worse. Paul is libertarian, but personally shallow.

    The point about both was less that they were more conservative than Jeb (though I think each could make a solid and accurate argument for being so), but rather that they would take conservative voters, whereas Jeb is going to take the moderate/liberal voters.
    Jeb might grab a few who have always known him as the "smart Bush brother," and the assumed Florida carry could win the GOP the election. But the electoral college is so stacked in the Dems' favor that Florida doesn't matter like it did.

    I dunno. I do think Bush and Clinton will win their respective nominations.

    But I also think Sanders-Paul would be a good referendum on the issues, rather than partisan blather and empty slogans.
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    Re: Does the crowded GOP potus candidates field risk there being an unpopular nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    With a bigger field, the coalition fractures. Everyone falls in love with THEIR GUY and resents the winner when THEIR GUY loses.
    Meh - take a look at the "who is your second choice" polls coming out. Lots of conservatives are pretty happy with multiple possible candidates at this point.
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    Re: Does the crowded GOP potus candidates field risk there being an unpopular nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Meh - take a look at the "who is your second choice" polls coming out. Lots of conservatives are pretty happy with multiple possible candidates at this point.
    Perhaps some might be a bit more inclined to be satisfied with no. 2 after the internecine mess of 2012 probably cost them the White House.
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    Re: Does the crowded GOP potus candidates field risk there being an unpopular nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Jeb might grab a few who have always known him as the "smart Bush brother," and the assumed Florida carry could win the GOP the election. But the electoral college is so stacked in the Dems' favor that Florida doesn't matter like it did.

    I dunno. I do think Bush and Clinton will win their respective nominations.

    But I also think Sanders-Paul would be a good referendum on the issues, rather than partisan blather and empty slogans.
    I would also love to have an actual debate between an actual, outspoken conservative and an actual outspoken liberal - give America a real choice between two directions, vice a choice between who can convince you that the other is meaner/dumber/etc.

    But I don't think Paul is that guy. Cruz would be a better candidate if you are looking for someone of that policy proscription, but who actually has better background knowledge, and is more thought out.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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