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    Ecuador to legalize all drugs - from marijuana to heroine

    Ecuador to legalize all drugs - from marijuana to heroine
    < Ecuador to legalize all drugs - from marijuana to heroine - English pravda.ru >
    "In Ecuador is expected to become the second country in the world and the first in the Western hemisphere to legalize all drugs. With new legislation to be approved, Ecuador is said to legalize drugs from marijuana to cocaine. Even heroine is expected to become legal in the country. Portugal became the first country in the world to have ended the drug war within its borders in 2001. The Portuguese society has improved considerably since then. The number of drug-related deaths has decreased along with the number of juvenile drug addicts, as well as the number of people doing drugs in general. Infectious diseases spread through needles and dirty drug practices have declined rapidly in Portugal since the end of drug prohibition. Many prisons have even shut down because there is not enough crime.Ecuador's new bill would set a new example of a country without drug prohibition for Latin America."

    How many people know about the success in Portugal?
    This sounds sensible to me.
    Would it be tough on Big Pharma?
    No more Drug War, but where would arms manufacturers sell their product?

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    Re: Ecuador to legalize all drugs - from marijuana to heroine

    Camino por recorrer Ecuador!

    Only ignoramuses on this subject and/or idiots think this a bad idea...which unfortunately is probably most people.

    It is none of the state's business what sane, consenting adults do in private or ingest into their bodies.
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    Re: Ecuador to legalize all drugs - from marijuana to heroine

    I think Drugs, Drug Wars, and Drug Laws are business oriented, not citizen oriented. Corporate Correctional facilities make a profit. Drug warriors make a profit. Weapons manufacturers make a profit. DEA makes a profit. Big Pharma makes a profit. Afghanistan (somebodies in Afghanistan because the USA has increased opium production by forty fold since the USA has been in charge) makes a profit. Whassamatter with those numbskulls in Portugal making drugs legal and decreasing drug problems? They must not know where the profits are made. Legal drugs must be anti Business, anti USA, and anti Corporate, don't ya' know?

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    Re: Ecuador to legalize all drugs - from marijuana to heroine

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Camino por recorrer Ecuador!

    Only ignoramuses on this subject and/or idiots think this a bad idea...which unfortunately is probably most people.
    Considering that drug use and drug crime have gone up since Portugal legalized them, its the idiots that think legalization is a solution to any problem

    It is none of the state's business what sane, consenting adults do in private or ingest into their bodies.
    Thats a naive and shot sided way to look at it. The majority of drug addicts especially the hard drugs cant hold jobs and must commit society harming crimes to continue their addiction

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    Re: Ecuador to legalize all drugs - from marijuana to heroine

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Considering that drug use and drug crime have gone up since Portugal legalized them, its the idiots that think legalization is a solution to any problem



    Thats a naive and shot sided way to look at it. The majority of drug addicts especially the hard drugs cant hold jobs and must commit society harming crimes to continue their addiction
    How do you rationalize telling other people what their subjective benefits would be from an individual action in comparison to your own subjective benefits, and yet consider yourself a conservative?

    Have you ever thought that the legality of drugs, or making the demand curve inelastic, is actually the reason addicts spend so much time energy and money trying to fulfill the faulty propped up price due to the legality of the actual substance, further more, how can you possibly say with certainty that society has actually benefited from the restriction on drugs considering there is absolutely nothing to compare it to

    I think any rational adult would not only say that what they value in life and consider healthy has no consequence over anyone else's health, and that the drug war seems to do more harm because of propped up rates of return as well as propped up prices due to the inelastic demand curve
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    Re: Ecuador to legalize all drugs - from marijuana to heroine

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Considering that drug use and drug crime have gone up since Portugal legalized them, its the idiots that think legalization is a solution to any problem
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    Re: Ecuador to legalize all drugs - from marijuana to heroine

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Considering that drug use and drug crime have gone up since Portugal legalized them, its the idiots that think legalization is a solution to any problem



    Thats a naive and shot sided way to look at it. The majority of drug addicts especially the hard drugs cant hold jobs and must commit society harming crimes to continue their addiction
    "The Portuguese society has improved considerably since then. The number of drug-related deaths has decreased along with the number of juvenile drug addicts, as well as the number of people doing drugs in general. Infectious diseases spread through needles and dirty drug practices have declined rapidly in Portugal since the end of drug prohibition. Many prisons have even shut down because there is not enough crime."

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    Re: Ecuador to legalize all drugs - from marijuana to heroine

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
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    Cocaine use also increased in Portugal over the 2001-2007 period, from 0.3% to 0.6%, reflecting the growing importance of Portugal as a cocaine transit country between South America, Western Africa and continental Europe in the last few years
    Portugal suddenly had the sixth-highest cocaine seizure total in the world. The number of murders increased 40% during this same period of time
    http://www.unodc.org/documents/wdr/W...09_eng_web.pdf

    Portugal faces a worrying deterioration of the drug situation. The facts prove "With 219 deaths from 'overdose' per year, Portugal has one of the worst results, with one death every two days. Along with Greece, Austria and Finland, Portugal registered an increase of deaths by more than 30% in 2005 " and " Portugal remains the country with the highest increase of AIDS as a result of injecting drugs (85 new cases per million residents in 2005, when the majority of countries do not surpass 5 cases per million). Portugal is the only country that recorded a recent increase, with 36 new cases estimated per million in 2005 when in 2004 only 30 were registered" (European Observatory for Drugs and Drug Addiction 2007). The European report also confirmed that in 2006, Portugal had registered 703 new cases of SIDA, which corresponds to a rate eight times higher than the European average!

    The decriminalization of drugs in Portugal did not in any way decrease levels of consumption. On the contrary, "the consumption of drugs in Portugal increased by 4.2% - the percentage of people who have experimented with drugs at least once in their lifetime increased from 7.8% in 2001 to 12% in 2007 (IDT-Institute for Drugs and Drug Addiction Portuguese, 2008).
    Decriminalization of drugs in Portugal

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    Re: Ecuador to legalize all drugs - from marijuana to heroine

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    "The Portuguese society has improved considerably since then. The number of drug-related deaths has decreased along with the number of juvenile drug addicts, as well as the number of people doing drugs in general. Infectious diseases spread through needles and dirty drug practices have declined rapidly in Portugal since the end of drug prohibition. Many prisons have even shut down because there is not enough crime."
    you think if you keep repeating it, that it will magically come true?

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    Re: Ecuador to legalize all drugs - from marijuana to heroine

    ...but the US overdose rate is over 100 per day...
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