Page 1 of 9 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 89

Thread: Should we allow people to die?

  1. #1
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The anals of history
    Last Seen
    07-25-15 @ 01:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    10,348

    Should we allow people to die?

    Every now and then, people show you their true colors.

    I spent the last few days riding around in a car with a lesbian photographer from Colorado and a Belgian lady.... needless to say, both were uber-liberal.... and needless to say, we got in to some political debates.

    We started to talk about food and energy. Typical of liberal opinion, they felt that the United States is way behind, that we're awful for being the champions of fossil fuels and genetically engineered food, and that we should be more like Europe in our support of non-modified food and alternative fuels.

    I calmly let them know my opinion: Liberals are influenced by European thought, and Europeans 1.) don't have many fossil fuels and 2.) don't have a lot of sunlight or land to farm. It's in Europe's self-interest to create a world of alternative energy and in which food production can be kept local.

    They had never heard this argument before, and I could tell it sparked thought in them. The lady from Belgium started to agree somewhat with me, but the lesbian from Colorado started to dig in her liberal heels.

    I then put the final nail in the coffin.... "If we didn't have cheap fossil fuels that we can easily transport, and if we didn't have these super-crops we have today, we could never support the population levels we have today. There is no way on earth we could ever feed the whole world like we are doing now.

    This argument cut deep, and neither one said anything for about 2 minutes.


    Their reply, when it finally came, shocked me. But I think it struck at the heart of how liberals think.

    "Sometimes we just need to let people die. It's for the good of the earth. Famine and death are part of how the earth regulates itself. I don't think we should help people in any other part of the world."

    Wow, was I ever shocked. What a horrible, ugly thing to say! In my opinion, we have a responsibility to our fellow human beings. I let them know that. And we were at an impasse.

    So I leave it to you. Do we have a responsibility to our fellow human beings to create enough food and energy to keep them alive, or should we switch to windmills and organic food so that Europe can be wealthier?

  2. #2
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The anals of history
    Last Seen
    07-25-15 @ 01:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    10,348

    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Well..... forgot to post the poll.

    1.) Yes. Allow billions of people to die so that we can have organic food and windmills

    2.) No. Produce as much food and energy as we can because human beings have a responsibility to one another.

  3. #3
    Stay Salty My Friends.
    CMPancake's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Location
    South Korea
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    3,383
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    What a complete and utter false dichotomy. Researching an applying alternate energies will not cause people to die of starvation.
    The risk I took was calculated but man, am I bad at math.

  4. #4
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The anals of history
    Last Seen
    07-25-15 @ 01:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    10,348

    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    What a complete and utter false dichotomy. Researching an applying alternate energies will not cause people to die of starvation.
    Switching off fossil fuels will absolutely kill billions of people. What do you think tractors run on, buddy? Hint: it ain't butterfly farts.

  5. #5
    Sage

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Goldsboro,PA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 12:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    5,484
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    How about a non-biased, non-loaded fair poll ?
    I do not care for the "lesbian" reference .. what difference can this make ?
    When a man's time has come , I do favor that he be allowed to die .. in dignity, NOT on life support ..
    One reason why we "liberals" follow Europe is that they are simply ahead of us, as well they should be ,,

  6. #6
    Stay Salty My Friends.
    CMPancake's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Location
    South Korea
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    3,383
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Switching off fossil fuels and mandating alternative energies will absolutely kill billions. What do you think tractors run on, buddy?
    Ah right, so when you are caught using a logical fallacy you double down on it. Carry on.
    The risk I took was calculated but man, am I bad at math.

  7. #7
    Global Moderator
    Moderator
    Helix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    33,993

    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    i read the OP, and it's a false dichotomy.

  8. #8
    Sage
    Skeptic Bob's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    7,576

    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    In my opinion, we have a responsibility to our fellow human beings.
    I find that opinion very refreshing coming from a conservative.

    GMOs have and will continue to save millions, if not billions, from starvation. The phobia over GMOs is irrational and the women you debated with were ill informed.

    As for alternative sources of energy? We should all be in favor of alternative sources of energy. Even if you don't believe in AGW wouldn't you prefer a clean source of energy that doesn't pollute the air? We should always be trying to find better ways of doing things.

    But no, we shouldn't abandon fossil fuels in the meantime if it means people will die.

  9. #9
    Sage
    Bodhisattva's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    The South Pacific
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:29 AM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,745

    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    People are dying now as a result of policies... switching policies just means different people are going to die as a result.

  10. #10
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    The anals of history
    Last Seen
    07-25-15 @ 01:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    10,348

    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    People are dying now as a result of policies... switching policies just means different people are going to die as a result.
    It means a lot more people will die. Less food = less people.

Page 1 of 9 123 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •