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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

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    I have never met a lesbian who is conservative.
    Meet Ruth Davidson, leader of Scottish Conservative Party ...



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    ... Europeans 1.) don't have many fossil fuels and 2.) don't have a lot of sunlight or land to farm. It's in Europe's self-interest to create a world of alternative energy and in which food production can be kept local.
    They surely started laughing at the inaccuracies by this point. Certainly the Belgian.

    Europe was fossil fueled before US existed. trades food and everything whilst maintaining local production. Based on the OP, who knows what your geographic concept of Europe might be.

    This part is horse trading over wind turbines, fracking, long established solar panel installation (funded for years by a controversial UK Government scheme which allows people to install the panels, plug them into the national grid and be paid for the energy they supply to the grid). Apparently nowadays, some solar panels don't require much sun, they produce energy just from light. However, large swathes of Europe bakes in the sun for large parts of the year. Sunshine in Europe, shockerooni.

    It is in everyone's interests to continue to develop alternative energy. Big business are investing and Government is forcing their hand. There are also things like this going on...

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    If you don't get in on this, you will be out in the cold when your fossils expire and all the eggs fall out of your one basket.

    .... "If we didn't have cheap fossil fuels that we can easily transport, and if we didn't have these super-crops we have today, we could never support the population levels we have today. There is no way on earth we could ever feed the whole world like we are doing now.
    You don't feed the whole world.

    ..."Sometimes we just need to let people die. It's for the good of the earth. Famine and death are part of how the earth regulates itself. I don't think we should help people in any other part of the world."
    They are some very bad girls, upsetting you like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
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    1.) ...Allow billions of people to die so that we can have organic food and windmills
    We have organic food and windmills. No more billions seem to be dying of it than might without it. How many people die or just go mental from non organic farming processes...

    2.) ...Produce as much food and energy as we can because human beings have a responsibility to one another.
    The fat people of Europe say, perhaps you could cut out junk food production and improve the world in that way.

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Sorry Viv EU conservatives are not considered conservatives on the better side of the pond here. Nor has Europe been using fossil fuels to drive their societies before the US was created. You used non-fossil fuels like whale oil. The internal combustion engine wasn't even invented until the 1850s and fossil fuels came into vogue after that. Fossil fuel based fertilizers didn't come into play until after WWII.
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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Why eat gruel and chopped liver if you can have steak and ice cream a couple hours later?
    because gruel and chopped liver also fill the belly?

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Why eat gruel and chopped liver if you can have steak and ice cream a couple hours later?


    Tater's never did taste good with chicken on the plate, eh?

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I have never met a lesbian who is conservative.
    I'm sure there are some, but probably a solid minority of lesbians overall.
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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sadie View Post
    Not only is your mind closed but you are sitting on the lid.
    I just don't like being lectured to. Me describing my trip with a liberal lesbian from Colorado is no more offensive than the story I'm sure she is telling her friends about that time she rode in a car with a white conservative gun owner from Texas.

    Not every stereotype has to be offensive all the timd

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    .................. Nor has Europe been using fossil fuels to drive their societies before the US was created. You used non-fossil fuels like whale oil.
    You ever heard of coal? Pretty much established by 1570 in Europe?
    The internal combustion engine wasn't even invented until the 1850s
    So? The need for warmth was invented well before
    and fossil fuels came into vogue after that.
    Sure. That doesn't mean that steam engines didn't do the job before.
    Fossil fuel based fertilizers didn't come into play until after WWII.
    would you, before that, rate gypsum as fossilious? Turf, at least pre-fossilized?

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I just don't like being lectured to. Me describing my trip with a liberal lesbian from Colorado is no more offensive than the story I'm sure she is telling her friends about that time she rode in a car with a white conservative gun owner from Texas.

    Not every stereotype has to be offensive all the timd
    But a white conservative gun owner from Tejas has a hard time in keeping from it.

    Relax, just joshing ya

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Every now and then, people show you their true colors.

    I spent the last few days riding around in a car with a lesbian photographer from Colorado and a Belgian lady.... needless to say, both were uber-liberal.... and needless to say, we got in to some political debates.

    We started to talk about food and energy. Typical of liberal opinion, they felt that the United States is way behind, that we're awful for being the champions of fossil fuels and genetically engineered food, and that we should be more like Europe in our support of non-modified food and alternative fuels.

    I calmly let them know my opinion: Liberals are influenced by European thought, and Europeans 1.) don't have many fossil fuels and 2.) don't have a lot of sunlight or land to farm. It's in Europe's self-interest to create a world of alternative energy and in which food production can be kept local.

    They had never heard this argument before, and I could tell it sparked thought in them. The lady from Belgium started to agree somewhat with me, but the lesbian from Colorado started to dig in her liberal heels.

    I then put the final nail in the coffin.... "If we didn't have cheap fossil fuels that we can easily transport, and if we didn't have these super-crops we have today, we could never support the population levels we have today. There is no way on earth we could ever feed the whole world like we are doing now.

    This argument cut deep, and neither one said anything for about 2 minutes.


    Their reply, when it finally came, shocked me. But I think it struck at the heart of how liberals think.

    "Sometimes we just need to let people die. It's for the good of the earth. Famine and death are part of how the earth regulates itself. I don't think we should help people in any other part of the world."

    Wow, was I ever shocked. What a horrible, ugly thing to say! In my opinion, we have a responsibility to our fellow human beings. I let them know that. And we were at an impasse.

    So I leave it to you. Do we have a responsibility to our fellow human beings to create enough food and energy to keep them alive, or should we switch to windmills and organic food so that Europe can be wealthier?
    1st of all either there was a language barrier or they weren't very bright. They fell for your ruse hook line and sinker. It is not GMO seeds that have made our corn crops so huge. It is HYBRIDIZATION done the old fashioned way that has dramatically increased crop yields. So your story of us feeding the starving masses with GMO food is totally false. Their response was equally idiotic following the "Garbage in-Garbage out" rule. At least I hope that was the reason.
    Sadly when they find out that you were lying, you will have made yet another foreigner think of Americans as weaselly a-holes. Not that a few more will matter.
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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I just don't like being lectured to. Me describing my trip with a liberal lesbian from Colorado is no more offensive than the story I'm sure she is telling her friends about that time she rode in a car with a white conservative gun owner from Texas.

    Not every stereotype has to be offensive all the timd
    You put the issue out there, not me. A reasonable discussion cannot be had if all must stand in line with your insistance that the lesbian be labeled for us to see. Her sexuality had nothing to do with GMO's and fossil fuels.

    You are assuming that she will be talking about her ride with a white gun owning conservative Texan and you simply cannot equate an assumption with a known fact about your post regarding her sexuality.

    Stereotyping is what it is - an assumption that one must be of a certain persuasion based on nothing more than one's own bias of another's sexuality, color, religion - I think you are intelligent enough to get what I am saying to you.

    Since you didn't read my whole post, I will leave you to make up even more assumptions about who I am and where I stand on the issues you presented.

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