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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Ah right, so when you are caught using a logical fallacy you double down on it. Carry on.
    I'm not sold on the tractor v. butterfly fart theory, but fossil fuels play a large role in providing cheap and plentiful fertilizers and pesticides. Even natural gas, which is a relatively clean fuel, is used extensively in the production of nitrogen-based fertilizers.
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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    I'm not sold on the tractor v. butterfly fart theory, but fossil fuels play a large role in providing cheap and plentiful fertilizers and pesticides. Even natural gas, which is a relatively clean fuel, is used extensively in the production of nitrogen-based fertilizers.
    Fertilizers derived from (or produced using) fossil fuels are not cheap. They represent a major expense for farmers and their cost is increasing.
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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Should we allow people to die?


    Of course they should be allowed.
    In more ways than one.


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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Guy drives around for days with two women and argues politics. ****ing hell.

    So who did you nail first, the lady from Belgium or the lesbian from Colorado? Most men would have agreed with Eva Braun to get a blow job. You? No. You want to level up on politics. Brilliant.










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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Fertilizers derived from (or produced using) fossil fuels are not cheap. They represent a major expense for farmers and their cost is increasing.
    Let me put it this way. The U.S. has a competitive advantage in the large-scale production of nitrogen-based fertilizers precisely because we have access to cheap natural gas. No one is stopping farmers from using organic fertilizers, but, while often cheaper per pound (or ton), organics end up costing more because they're less concentrated.

    Chemical Fertilizer vs Organic Fertilizer - Difference and Comparison | Diffen
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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Every now and then, people show you their true colors.

    I spent the last few days riding around in a car with a lesbian photographer from Colorado and a Belgian lady.... needless to say, both were uber-liberal.... and needless to say, we got in to some political debates.

    We started to talk about food and energy. Typical of liberal opinion, they felt that the United States is way behind, that we're awful for being the champions of fossil fuels and genetically engineered food, and that we should be more like Europe in our support of non-modified food and alternative fuels.

    I calmly let them know my opinion: Liberals are influenced by European thought, and Europeans 1.) don't have many fossil fuels and 2.) don't have a lot of sunlight or land to farm. It's in Europe's self-interest to create a world of alternative energy and in which food production can be kept local.

    They had never heard this argument before, and I could tell it sparked thought in them. The lady from Belgium started to agree somewhat with me, but the lesbian from Colorado started to dig in her liberal heels.

    I then put the final nail in the coffin.... "If we didn't have cheap fossil fuels that we can easily transport, and if we didn't have these super-crops we have today, we could never support the population levels we have today. There is no way on earth we could ever feed the whole world like we are doing now.

    This argument cut deep, and neither one said anything for about 2 minutes.


    Their reply, when it finally came, shocked me. But I think it struck at the heart of how liberals think.

    "Sometimes we just need to let people die. It's for the good of the earth. Famine and death are part of how the earth regulates itself. I don't think we should help people in any other part of the world."

    Wow, was I ever shocked. What a horrible, ugly thing to say! In my opinion, we have a responsibility to our fellow human beings. I let them know that. And we were at an impasse.

    So I leave it to you. Do we have a responsibility to our fellow human beings to create enough food and energy to keep them alive, or should we switch to windmills and organic food so that Europe can be wealthier?
    Aren't you one of the people that routinely rails against welfare and safety nets and would be fine if people perished to decrease the surplus population? Or, at least got them out of your wallet?

    Regardless, what were you doing that necessitated you riding around in a car with "a lesbian photographer from Colorado and a Belgian lady"?
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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Let me put it this way. The U.S. has a competitive advantage in the large-scale production of nitrogen-based fertilizers precisely because we have access to cheap natural gas. No one is stopping farmers from using organic fertilizers, but, while often cheaper per pound (or ton), organics end up costing more because they're less concentrated.

    Chemical Fertilizer vs Organic Fertilizer - Difference and Comparison | Diffen
    Compost is free. It doesn't get any cheaper than that.

    IOW, your blog link makes a dishonest comparison by assuming that farms must purchase fertilizer.

    I'll also note that your link points out some of the advantages of organic fertilizers that synths do not provide
    Adds natural nutrients to soil, increases soil organic matter, improves soil structure and tilth, improves water holding capacity, reduces soil crusting problems, reduces erosion from wind and water, Slow and consistent release of nutrients,
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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Switching off fossil fuels will absolutely kill billions of people.
    What do you think tractors run on, buddy?
    Hint: it ain't butterfly farts.


    Tractors can be powered by electric motors.

    Wake up and smell the coffee.

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Remember kids, because we're currently using certain technologies, we can't replace them with newer and better ones!
    There are only two potential driving forces behind technological change: need and economy (aka profit).

    Hence, in spite of all our talk, we will only turn to alternative technologies if our existing technologies (fossil fuels, for example) run out, or if there's money to be made from alternatives. Not a day sooner.
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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Guy drives around for days with two women and argues politics. ****ing hell.

    So who did you nail first, the lady from Belgium or the lesbian from Colorado? Most men would have agreed with Eva Braun to get a blow job. You? No. You want to level up on politics. Brilliant.
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