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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Remember kids, because we're currently using certain technologies, we can't replace them with newer and better ones!

    Also, "sometimes we just need to let people die" seems to be the mantra of the right when sending young (poor, often non-white) men to die for oil profiteering and to kill Muslims.

    Why do so many liberals go to protests against GMO's? Why do so many liberals support a gas tax hike, or support banning fracking? These things have nothing to do with supporting new technologies.... they're just trying to bury the current ones.

    And if people in Africa starve? Oh well. At least a few pelicans in California will have their nests undisturbed. And the French will make a killing on their nuclear energy plants.

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It means a lot more people will die. Less food = less people.
    Who said that we have to shut off current food production to achieve the desired result in the end?

    They were just being dramatic but the sentiment regarding the outcome is logical and fine.

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    If you have less food, you will have less people.
    How do astronauts live while in space?

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Who said that we have to shut off current food production to achieve the desired result in the end?

    They were just being dramatic but the sentiment regarding the outcome is logical and fine.
    Huh? ......

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    How do astronauts live while in space?
    On food and energy brought from earth. Any more brain busters?

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    On food and energy brought from earth. Any more brain busters?
    I see that they have upgraded since the day of tube food. All good. My bad.

    Huh?
    We don't have to just stop all current food production to reach the desired goal of getting off GMO's or fuel based production. Millions aren't just gonna die for this goal to happen.

    They were being dramatic and you are being hissy about some doomsday no food death scenario. Get a grip.

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Every now and then, people show you their true colors.

    I spent the last few days riding around in a car with a lesbian photographer from Colorado and a Belgian lady.... needless to say, both were uber-liberal.... and needless to say, we got in to some political debates.

    We started to talk about food and energy. Typical of liberal opinion, they felt that the United States is way behind, that we're awful for being the champions of fossil fuels and genetically engineered food, and that we should be more like Europe in our support of non-modified food and alternative fuels.

    I calmly let them know my opinion: Liberals are influenced by European thought, and Europeans 1.) don't have many fossil fuels and 2.) don't have a lot of sunlight or land to farm. It's in Europe's self-interest to create a world of alternative energy and in which food production can be kept local.

    They had never heard this argument before, and I could tell it sparked thought in them. The lady from Belgium started to agree somewhat with me, but the lesbian from Colorado started to dig in her liberal heels.

    I then put the final nail in the coffin.... "If we didn't have cheap fossil fuels that we can easily transport, and if we didn't have these super-crops we have today, we could never support the population levels we have today. There is no way on earth we could ever feed the whole world like we are doing now.

    This argument cut deep, and neither one said anything for about 2 minutes.


    Their reply, when it finally came, shocked me. But I think it struck at the heart of how liberals think.

    "Sometimes we just need to let people die. It's for the good of the earth. Famine and death are part of how the earth regulates itself. I don't think we should help people in any other part of the world."

    Wow, was I ever shocked. What a horrible, ugly thing to say! In my opinion, we have a responsibility to our fellow human beings. I let them know that. And we were at an impasse.

    So I leave it to you. Do we have a responsibility to our fellow human beings to create enough food and energy to keep them alive, or should we switch to windmills and organic food so that Europe can be wealthier?
    GE crops have not resulted in any significant increase in food production. There is little chance it will do anything to help feed an increasing population

    And as far as letting people die, I thought that was the right wings official health care policy
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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This might be hard for you, but try to follow along. I'll try to use small words.

    Farm equipment runs on mostly petroleum. Fertilizers are mostly petroleum based. If you cut petroleum production, we would not be able to produce as much food.

    GMO's are genetically modified crops that increase food output, sometimes dramatically. If you banned them, you wouldn't be able to produce as much food.


    If you have less food, you will have less people.
    Here's some small words for you:

    Tractors, chemical fertilizers and fossil fuels are not needed to farm and GE crops do not significantly increase production
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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    How do astronauts live while in space?
    Yes but do you have mic control? Cause I wake up in the morning and its hard live. Hard to live yes its hard to live. And it will be a long time before **** starts to give
    But I would up for being down with the ho.

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    So I leave it to you. Do we have a responsibility to our fellow human beings to create enough food and energy to keep them alive, or should we switch to windmills and organic food so that Europe can be wealthier?
    Yes, we do, and genetically modified foods are a big part of that. And unless these people are subsisting on wild berries, they're eating modified foods. We've been creating and consuming mutant varieties of food using radiation for more than half a century. I love red grapefruit and Italian pasta. I'm not dead yet.

    Delicious mutant foods: Mutagenesis and the genetic modification controversy | Genetic Literacy Project
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