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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Ah right, so when you are caught using a logical fallacy you double down on it. Carry on.
    This might be hard for you, but try to follow along. I'll try to use small words.

    Farm equipment runs on mostly petroleum. Fertilizers are mostly petroleum based. If you cut petroleum production, we would not be able to produce as much food.

    GMO's are genetically modified crops that increase food output, sometimes dramatically. If you banned them, you wouldn't be able to produce as much food.


    If you have less food, you will have less people.

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

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    Every now and then, people show you their true colors.
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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This might be hard for you, but try to follow along. I'll try to use small words.
    Please do, because it is just so difficult following along with this narrow thinking of yours.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Farm equipment runs on mostly petroleum. Fertilizers are mostly petroleum based. If you cut petroleum production, we would not be able to produce as much food.
    Who said alternate energies would cut petroleum production? Or for that matter, who said it is impossible to create farm equipment and fertilizer that doesn't relay on oils?

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    GMO's are genetically modified crops that increase food output, sometimes dramatically. If you banned them, you wouldn't be able to produce as much food.
    There is no serious threat to ban GMO's.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    If you have less food, you will have less people.
    Sure, but who says it is impossible to have our cake and eat it to when it comes to discovering and using alternate energies?
    The risk I took was calculated but man, am I bad at math.

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    I find that opinion very refreshing coming from a conservative.

    GMOs have and will continue to save millions, if not billions, from starvation. The phobia over GMOs is irrational and the women you debated with were ill informed.

    As for alternative sources of energy? We should all be in favor of alternative sources of energy. Even if you don't believe in AGW wouldn't you prefer a clean source of energy that doesn't pollute the air? We should always be trying to find better ways of doing things.

    But no, we shouldn't abandon fossil fuels in the meantime if it means people will die.
    I'm all for alternative energy but then someone needs to figure out how to do it cheaper and more effectively than fossil fuels. These women were talking about cutting off fossil fuels. That's ridiculous.

    There should be no attempt made to harm fossil fuel production. Only if something better comes along should we move in that direction.

    Because remember, not only do you need petroleum for fuel, you need it for plastics and fertilizer as well.

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Please do, because it is just so difficult following along with this narrow thinking of yours.



    Who said alternate energies would cut petroleum production? Or for that matter, who said it is impossible to create farm equipment and fertilizer that doesn't relay on oils?



    There is no serious threat to ban GMO's.



    Sure, but who says it is impossible to have our cake and eat it to when it comes to discovering and using alternate energies?
    Well, now you're moving the goalposts. If someone discovers some magical fuel that can replace everything fossil fuels gives us, I'm all for it.

    In my OP, I mentioned the stance that these two women had, which was that 1.) GMO's are bad and need to be banned (they were going to a Monsanto march, which is a liberal rally to get rid of GMO's) 2.) We need to tax and limit petroleum production, stop fracking altogether, and dump a bunch of money in to researching alternative fuels..... money gotten by a carbon tax and a tax on oil.

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Yes, you just did.
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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    We should allow false dichotomies to die.
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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Well, now you're moving the goalposts. If someone discovers some magical fuel that can replace everything fossil fuels gives us, I'm all for it.
    I haven't moved the goalposts at all. I merely presented that your doomsday proposal that presenting alternate fuels won't kill millions of people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    In my OP, I mentioned the stance that these two women had, which was that 1.) GMO's are bad and need to be banned (they were going to a Monsanto march, which is a liberal rally to get rid of GMO's) 2.) We need to tax and limit petroleum production, stop fracking altogether, and dump a bunch of money in to researching alternative fuels..... money gotten by a carbon tax and a tax on oil.
    And once again you double down on your logical fallacy that depends on a anecdote about your personal life.
    The risk I took was calculated but man, am I bad at math.

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    I haven't moved the goalposts at all. I merely presented that your doomsday proposal that presenting alternate fuels won't kill millions of people.



    And once again you double down on your logical fallacy that depends on a anecdote about your personal life.
    Alright well, we'll wait around for your magical alternative fuel to be invented but in the meantime.... any liberal going to Monsanto marches or supporting crazy ideas like carbon taxes or increased oil taxes are basically rooting for people to die.

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    Re: Should we allow people to die?

    Remember kids, because we're currently using certain technologies, we can't replace them with newer and better ones!

    Also, "sometimes we just need to let people die" seems to be the mantra of the right when sending young (poor, often non-white) men to die for oil profiteering and to kill Muslims.
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