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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    After WWII, the Allies used German civilians and POWs in forced labor. Was that wrong, or was it just?
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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    None of what you've outlined equates to justifiable slavery. The welfare queen is the only character among your scenarios who has not committed a crime. Therefore, why should she be "enslaved" simply because someone doesn't like the fact that she was deemed (repeatedly) eligible to receive those welfare benefits? All others you've characterized above should do their penance accordingly as the law dictates. Now, if that penance involves making small rocks out of big ones, pressing license plates, harvesting crops on the corporate farm, repaving roads or digging ditches, then so be it. That's part of forfeiting your right to live among a peaceful, law abiding society. But I wouldn't call this slavery. I'd call it imprisonment. No one owns them; they're just locked away from society for the crimes they've committed until time served (less a life sentence or the death penalty).

    Now, as a Black man do I believe slavery should never be allowed? I have to say yes. I'm against the ownership of anyone as property. However, I can see where indentured servitude can work because it's no different than being a contract employee only instead of being "hired" to perform a specific task (or tasks), you perform any task assigned to you for the agreed upon timeframe at the agreed upon price. Think Joseph, for example.
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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Penile labor is the same thing as slavery.
    At various points in my life I have definitely been a slave to my penis.
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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Here I am in the minority , nothing new ..
    Forced labor as a punishment for some, if not all serious true crimes ? YES !

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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    At various points in my life I have definitely been a slave to my penis.
    not funny nor necessary .

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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    There is a difference between slavery and forced labor.

    A slave can be brought and sold. His or her liberty does not exist at all. They will never get to be free unless the owner chooses to free them.

    Whilst the US criminal justice system comes very close to such a state it is not quite a slave state yet.

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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Except among those whose education has been in the minimalist style, it is understood that hasty moral judgments about the past are a form of injustice.

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    The key language is "all of the time." If an ancient city state, for example, fights for decades and finally triumphs against another city state, it has few choices: (i) utter destruction of the city and its people, (ii) utter destruction of city leaving people to mill about the country side in bands of highly pissed off groups, (iii) a combination, e.g. kill men, keep women and children (hoping to assimilate last two groups), and (iv) take all or some of people for forced labor.

    Another example would be the Spartans' treatment of the Helots. Immoral by the standards of that time? Should Spartans born after the system was established simply treat all of the helots (who may have outnumbered them by a 7:1 ratio) as equal citizens? Could they expect the Helots to let bygones be bygones? What were their moral options?

    Much of that system is disgusting by today's standard but some of it is better than the system we established not long ago. At least Helots could keep their families together, in terror certainly, but together. They could, at times, hope to be emancipated by military service whereas an African American slave would always be marked as inferior by every square inch of his skin.

    I do not purport to know what went on in ancient times but it seems obvious that slavery originated for the simple reason that it helped victors survive. If the tribes who did not keep slaves had a competitive advantage, that would have been the norm. Slavery may have been rare in hunter/gatherer societies but perhaps only because tribes in ancient days did not have the numbers to support social stratification. This may have meant that more conquered tribes were killed in defeat.

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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Penile labor is the same thing as slavery.
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    You have no empirical evidence backing up your false assertion. You are simply conjecturing based on a whim...
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    Or maybe "We now understand why women provoke men into hitting them".
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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    We don't believe involuntary servitude is always wrong in the United States. That is why we allow it as punishment for crimes. That exception in the Thirteenth Amendment authorizes chain gangs, which I would like to see my own state use.

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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    not funny nor necessary .
    It is neither funny nor necessary

    or

    It's not funny or necessary


    English is a great language when used properly, hence my post was both funny and necessary.
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