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Thread: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We're all indoctrinated to believe, especially here in America, that slavery is evil and wrong, and should be illegal 100% of the time no matter what.

    Not one to blindly follow what I'm taught, I thought about it for a while, and, while 99% of the time, slavery is wrong, I can make a case that sometimes, it's justified.



    Now let me make one point before people get their panties in a bunch: I'm not advocating race-based slavery (take off your USA glasses, slavery throughout most of human history has not been based on race). I believe that all people are created equal and that everyone should be given equal opportunity to succeed and to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.


    That said.... what happens when someone screws up? Here are some examples of people who I think could justifiably be forced to work for someone else:

    1.) The nonviolent career criminal. Rather than pay to house and feed him and put him through "crime school" (ie jail), he should be forced in to providing productive labor.

    2.) The welfare queen. Rather than give money away to people who would rather sit and collect money and live off the government tit, shouldn't they be forced to earn their keep like the rest of us?

    3.) The juvenile delinquent. Rather than put them through "crime school" (ie jail), some forced labor and discipline could do these kids good.

    4.) The white collar criminal. Run a ponzi scheme? Cheat on your taxes? Make them pick oranges in the California sun for a few years. That'll make white collar criminals think twice.



    I'll leave it at that for now. What are your thoughts?
    With exception of welfare, the issues you mentioned are punishment, not slavery, meted out by government for law or rule braking.. Welfare is not slavery, it's optional participation in a social program.

    Make a case for real slavery where one person is forced to labor for another and the worker is not free to leave the relationship.
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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Indentured servitude is another one I forgot about, but I agree it should have its place in society as well. Actually, it's a great alternative to welfare and illegal immigration.
    Indentured servitude is immoral because it takes away peoples fundamental rights... It is impossible to sign your fundamental rights away, even if you want to...

    you can't legitimately forfeit those rights, because it would always be a crime for others to violate them, no matter what contract you sign.

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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Someone owning you as legal property of and are forced to obey your "owner(s)" is never justified period.
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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    I threw up in my mouth at the title of this thread.

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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Slavery is any form of forced labor. Don't let semantics cloud your judgement.
    No, slavery is the act of owning another human being as property. Try again.
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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Penile labor is the same thing as slavery.
    Some people think penile labor is actually a lot of fun.
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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by elephants17 View Post
    I threw up in my mouth at the title of this thread.
    Get used to it. You'd be amazed at some of the stuff you see around here.
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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Forced labor is forced labor. We call that "slavery"
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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    Most of the healthy inmates in the joint want to be able to work a job. It makes the calendar move faster.
    Good, I say make them work. If they take a liking to working for a living, maybe that will stay with them when they're released.

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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by elephants17 View Post
    I threw up in my mouth at the title of this thread.
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