View Poll Results: Is slavery always wrong all of the time?

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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Slavery is any form of forced labor. Don't let semantics cloud your judgement.
    That's not true. Forced labor in prison is treated as an exception to slavery basically everywhere in the world. The dictionary definition is a system in which people are treated as property. People do not generally consider prisoners to be slaves. By practice, common usage, and definition, that is not slavery.
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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Slavery is more than forced labor. It's ownership of people as property to be sold, used and abused as the slave owner sees fit. I DO NOT subscribe to this not as a man and especially not as a Black man.
    Slavery is thousands of years old and while the slavery of black people is our only real experience with it here in the USA, throughout human history most of the time, slavery has nothing to do with race.

    Most of the time, if you fought on the wrong side of a war, or you owed someone a lot of money you couldn't repay, that's when you became a slave.

    I'm defining slavery as any form of forced labor. People seem to be OK with it as long as it's in the prison system, just as long as you don't call it "slavery." But a spade is a spade.

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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Penile labor is the same thing as slavery.
    No, it's not.

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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Peter Grimm,

    Just an FYI: I edited my post but not before you quoted me.

    Now, as a Black man do I believe slavery should never be allowed? I have to say yes.
    Just so there's no confusion on where I stand on the subject.
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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    That's not true. Forced labor in prison is treated as an exception to slavery basically everywhere in the world. The dictionary definition is a system in which people are treated as property. People do not generally consider prisoners to be slaves. By practice, common usage, and definition, that is not slavery.
    Semantics. A prisoner working on a chain gang or hammering out license plates is not a free man. He's not working willingly. He can't come and go as he pleases.

    For all intents and purposes, he's a slave of the state.

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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    No, it's not.
    Forced labor is forced labor. We call that "slavery"

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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Forced labor is forced labor. We call that "slavery"
    Black people were put on auction blocks half naked and poked and prodded as cattle.

    They were denied citizenship.

    They were raped and tortured.

    They were property. They had no rights.

    Families were torn apart, children ripped from mothers arms on birth, and children of slaves were automatically slaves. For generation upon generation here in the US.

    That is not the same thing as penal labor.

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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Slavery is thousands of years old and while the slavery of black people is our only real experience with it here in the USA, throughout human history most of the time, slavery has nothing to do with race.

    Most of the time, if you fought on the wrong side of a war, or you owed someone a lot of money you couldn't repay, that's when you became a slave.

    I'm defining slavery as any form of forced labor. People seem to be OK with it as long as it's in the prison system, just as long as you don't call it "slavery." But a spade is a spade.
    But forced labor under the U.S. penal system isn't slavery. The prison system doesn't "own" the prisoners. They've merely been commissioned to "watch over the prisoners". Now, while it's true that the inmates do perform labor which can be extremely tedious, it's still not slavery. The warden doesn't own the inmates. The corrections officers don't own the inmates. Not even the state owns the inmates. They are still individuals with rights (as hard as it may be for some, including myself, to accept or even acknowledge), but they are not owned by anyone. I can assure you that if a corrections officers beats and inmate, HE will soon find himself behind bars. Same goes for the warden who is found to have allowed mistreatment of inmates under his supervision.

    You've got it quite twisted, my friend. Please rethink your premise.
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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Some people just need to be slaves... they can't function on their own responsibly and need to be controlled.
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    Re: Is Slavery Always Wrong All of the Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Some people just need to be slaves... they can't function on their own responsibly and need to be controlled.
    That's why we have jails, prisons and insane asylums.
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