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  • The government should never violate the Constitution

    47 85.45%
  • I don't care as long as I like the results of the violation

    2 3.64%
  • It should be only violated in exterme emgerancies

    4 7.27%
  • The constitution is outdated and should be thrown away

    2 3.64%
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Thread: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    In all the cited cases the private parties were deemed to be state actors because of the relationship between the private party and the state.

    So no I'm afraid you are incorrect.
    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Perhaps I am. It was interesting though to take the opposite side and see how you would defend. I am enlightened.
    It has been defined down to those parameters, i.e. whether a private actor can be deemed a state actor depending on the relationship they have with the state entity in question.

    In Burton v. Wilmington Parking Authority the court got it wrong by the later more constrictive interpretation - I would argue that in all instances, any and all error must be weighted against the routine or cavalier legal association of private actors to state actors.

    As for Wickersham v. City of Columbia, the way that decision came down was correct; however, I would think all the veterans needed to do was police and enforce their own policies as a condition of admittance, and when the activists refused it would be perfectly proper to call the police in which case the activists would be cited or arrested for civil disobedience or disorderly conduct.

    In that way, the police are simply responding as a community resource at the behest of the veterans, but with no direct connection to the event or policy.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    The Constitution is a pretty good group of ideas...but it is FAR from ideal and it needs work.

    And those Constitutional fanatics who think it is a perfect document...tell someone else as I do not care how great you think it is.

    In fact, I don't even begin to care.

    It is a solid but highly flawed 'paper' and needs lots of work.
    Well, Redress has already asked you...

    However, I always would like to know of these bad flaws. I can understand someone calling the constitution flawed. Nothing in this world seems to be perfect. Calling it highly flawed is interesting though.

    The constitution, in my opinion which you don't care about, is nearly perfect not because of what is written on it, but because it was made specifically for the people and by the people and through the people, it can change, evolve, better itself.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Bait thread alert!
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    Not really, just asking a question.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    The government will violate the Constitution. Under the Eighth Amendment, a prison "must ensure that inmates receive adequate food, clothing, shelter, and medical care, and must protect prisoners from violence at the hands of other prisoners. However, a constitutional violation occurs only where the deprivation alleged is, objectively, 'sufficiently serious.'" If the prisoner is to have a legal cause of action, the defendants, e.g. prison, guards, must have been "deliberately indifferent" to the inmates health or safety. In such cases, a prisoner can bring a claim for an eighth amendment claim of deprivation of food, clothing, etc. See

    The existence of this cause of action presumes violations will occur.

    Further, there are often legitimate disputes regarding the scope of legislative and executive power under the Constitution. The system depends on each side to defend its turf (check and balance), which will mean that, ultimately, one side may have found to have violated the powers given by the Constitution to the other.

    Violations are inherent in the system.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You did not respond nor refute one thing I said in the post you reproduced as your lead in.

    I gave you several pieces of evidence which prove beyond any doubt that the southerners who owned slaves considered them as human beings and people.

    i have always refuted everything you ever say.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i have always refuted everything you ever say.
    please link to just a dozen or so.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    please link to just a dozen or so.
    well 1 source is to look at all of your posts where to put on your track shoes and run to the USSC.

    this is a favorite tactic of yours, after you cite the founders or our founding documents, and then are provided wrong [by me], ................. that you make the court your last refuge.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    I think 98% of people care but the problem is the Constitution has been interpreted and is interpreted in many different ways/legal mindsets.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well 1 source is to look at all of your posts where to put on your track shoes and run to the USSC.

    this is a favorite tactic of yours, after you cite the founders or our founding documents, and then are provided wrong [by me], ................. that you make the court your last refuge.
    You were challenged to present a dozen. You failed to present even one.

    That failure and impotence on your part speaks volumes about your boast and claim.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    The problem today is the government has grown to a point where it no longer serves the people but rules the people.
    At one time the constitution protected the rights of the minority or the individual from the majority. Today our government believes the majority has the right to restrict or even vote away the right of the individual and or minority. That was the my turning point from voting for Obama to praying for his removal from office. This is my main fear of Hillary is the fact she believes the majority have the right to pass laws that take away or restrict the rights of the individual.

    I was in the military and I was willing to die for the right of the individual to stand on a street corner and pass out literature praising the Nazi Party. You could poll a thousand soldiers and more than 90% would like to put a bullet in this persons head. Unfortunately you cannot have freedom if you don't allow this person to stand on the corner and say what he wants.

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