View Poll Results: Do you care?

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  • The government should never violate the Constitution

    47 85.45%
  • I don't care as long as I like the results of the violation

    2 3.64%
  • It should be only violated in exterme emgerancies

    4 7.27%
  • The constitution is outdated and should be thrown away

    2 3.64%
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Thread: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    In all the cited cases the private parties were deemed to be state actors because of the relationship between the private party and the state.

    So no I'm afraid you are incorrect.
    Perhaps I am. It was interesting though to take the opposite side and see how you would defend. I am enlightened.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Not really,
    just asking a question.


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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    That's not really accurate. Any branch could find something to be in violation of the constitution. That's hardly the sole province of the judicial branch. But, if a citizen is contending that an act of congress violates the constitution, the courts are the only way to grant relief against the other branches.

    The constant outcry against the president from the right wing has had the effect of the boy crying wolf. If he did cross a line, no one would ever listen to them. But I would like to see a bipartisan effort to oppose NSA surveillance and data gathering, but that is the product of all three branches over a span of decades. You can't really attribute it to any single actor. And it would likely take all three working together to do away with it and reinforce the fourth amendment and really protect our privacy, but that's very unlikely to happen. Especially while partisan right wingers simultaneously decry that spying and surveillance and proclaim that we don't have a right to privacy.
    All true, but you do see the irony here, right, with what Republicans are trying to do despite their fervent claims of being the party to uphold the Constitution, do the will of the people and defend liberty?
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    The Constitution is a pretty good group of ideas...but it is FAR from ideal and it needs work.

    And those Constitutional fanatics who think it is a perfect document...tell someone else as I do not care how great you think it is.

    In fact, I don't even begin to care.

    It is a solid but highly flawed 'paper' and needs lots of work.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    The Constitution is a pretty good group of ideas...but it is FAR from ideal and it needs work.

    And those Constitutional fanatics who think it is a perfect document...tell someone else as I do not care how great you think it is.

    In fact, I don't even begin to care.

    It is a solid but highly flawed 'paper' and needs lots of work.
    Perhaps you can post some proposed amendments so we can not care about them.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    The Constitution is a pretty good group of ideas...but it is FAR from ideal and it needs work.

    And those Constitutional fanatics who think it is a perfect document...tell someone else as I do not care how great you think it is.

    In fact, I don't even begin to care.

    It is a solid but highly flawed 'paper' and needs lots of work.
    Ok, I am curious. What are these flaws and what do you think should be changed?
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Simple question do you care if the Government violates the Constitution?
    Stupid poll.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Simple question do you care if the Government violates the Constitution?
    Sexually or Congressionally? Which, come to think of it, may be redundant.










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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Perfect example of why conservatism is on decline. Conservatism acts as an "elite Club" for certain people of society yet excludes the rest of us then gets out the constitution to try and argue that we should all be good little slaves and proceed to read it to us as if it was written solely to promote their social club that none of us are ever going to be invited into.

    Such is why conservatism is in steep decline. Most people don't give a damn about your uppity little social club of country club Esq types and their elitism.

    OR your social conservative club of elitism either.


    Most Americans don't belong to either of those groups and don't want individuals from those groups dictating Law.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Whose interpretation of the constitution? Yours? Mine? Some bloggers? What about a blowhard on TV? I don't care if the government violates any laymen's interpretation of the constitution. I do care if the government violates the federal court system's interpretation of the constitution as that is the only one that really matters.
    No, that is not the only one that matters. In our government, it is the people who have the last word on what the Constitution means. President Lincoln spoke about that in the context of Dred Scott v. Sandford, which he declined to enforce. The judiciary was designed to be by far the weakest of the three branches, and the notion that the Supreme Court is the final arbiter of the meaning of the Constitution is the Court's own invention. There are several means available to the other two branches to frustrate or nullify Supreme Court decisions--including the impeachment of justices, however unlikely that has become. And of course the states could refuse to abide by an unpopular decision, and defy the U.S. to try to enforce it.

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