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  • The government should never violate the Constitution

    47 85.45%
  • I don't care as long as I like the results of the violation

    2 3.64%
  • It should be only violated in exterme emgerancies

    4 7.27%
  • The constitution is outdated and should be thrown away

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Thread: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Since federal government has decided to use the commerce clause to control all regulate business and all of the society instead of just handing trade disputes between states there is countless regulations on the books. As it stands most of the population agrees with this use of the commerce clause, so I either deal with the abuse or move.

    It's also not just that the Constitution is violated in pretty much all areas, but that amendments like four teeth, sixteenth, and seventeenth amendment were added that go against the very goals of the Constitution.
    One of the goals of the Constitution was that it be changeable via Amendments.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    One of the goals of the Constitution was that it be changeable via Amendments.
    thats true, but in that changing of the constitution is supposed to remain true to the founding princples.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    thats true, but in that changing of the constitution is supposed to remain true to the founding princples.
    Where does it say that?
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    I dunno. I took an oath to defend the constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. To the best of my knowledge, no one has yet to relieve me of that obligation.

    But the idea that American society, 100/200 hundred years from now, will be yoked or enslaved to any "constitution," that was created by men that lived 400 years ago, does kind of turn my stomach. They are doing that now in the middle east and those people are really screwed. They CAN'T progress alongside the rest of the modern world. Their religious constitution does not allow for it.

    I believe a constitution is needed. However, I do believe the American people, by majority consensus, should have the right to amend it in any way they see fit to better suit their time in history.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Where does it say that?
    well first..... .the DOI contains the founding principles of america, and those principles are embodied in the constitution of the founders.

    the organic laws of america are the fountain of america.

    The Organic Laws of the United States of America can be found in Volume One of the United States Code which contains the General and Permanent Laws of the United States. U.S. Code defines the organic laws of the United States of America to include the Declaration of Independence of July 4, 1776, the Articles of Confederation of November 15, 1777, the Northwest Ordinance of July 13, 1787, and the Constitution of September 17, 1787.

    principles like natural law, rights endowed, equality under law, government secures rights life-liberty- property ...which is the end of government.

    if the constitution were to have an amendment in it stating congress and the states governments are granting the people a right, that government has a power over life liberty or property , that government is here to make people lifes better by providing them with things[material goods and services], then those kinds of amendment would violated those founding principles.

    the u.s. federal government, via its own federal law recognizes the founding principles of america, and states that no state constitution can be repugnant to those principles.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I dunno. I took an oath to defend the constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. To the best of my knowledge, no one has yet to relieve me of that obligation.

    But the idea that American society, 100/200 hundred years from now, will be yoked or enslaved to any "constitution," that was created by men that lived 400 years ago, does kind of turn my stomach. They are doing that now in the middle east and those people are really screwed. They CAN'T progress alongside the rest of the modern world. Their religious constitution does not allow for it.

    I believe a constitution is needed. However, I do believe the American people, by majority consensus, should have the right to amend it in any way they see fit to better suit their time in history.
    you mean by state convention, or by state ratification?

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well first..... .the DOI contains the founding principles of america, and those principles are embodied in the constitution of the founders.

    the organic laws of america are the fountain of america.

    The Organic Laws of the United States of America can be found in Volume One of the United States Code which contains the General and Permanent Laws of the United States. U.S. Code defines the organic laws of the United States of America to include the Declaration of Independence of July 4, 1776, the Articles of Confederation of November 15, 1777, the Northwest Ordinance of July 13, 1787, and the Constitution of September 17, 1787.

    principles like natural law, rights endowed, equality under law, government secures rights life-liberty- property ...which is the end of government.

    if the constitution were to have an amendment in it stating congress and the states governments are granting the people a right, that government has a power over life liberty or property , that government is here to make people lifes better by providing them with things[material goods and services], then those kinds of amendment would violated those founding principles.

    the u.s. federal government, via its own federal law recognizes the founding principles of america, and states that no state constitution can be repugnant to those principles.
    Liberty was one of the so called founding principles contained in the Declaration of Independence in the clear statement of rights for ALL MEN. So if no state constitution can be repugnant to LIBERTY why were southern states like Alabama and Mississippi admitted when their constitutions limited rights and did not grant the to ALL MEN?
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Liberty was one of the so called founding principles contained in the Declaration of Independence in the clear statement of rights for ALL MEN. So if no state constitution can be repugnant to LIBERTY why were southern states like Alabama and Mississippi admitted when their constitutions limited rights and did not grant the to ALL MEN?

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Who effing cares about some old paper from the days of powdered wigs and buckled shoes? Like get with the times, people--we aint in the 1700s any more. The teabaggers' precious constitution is dead and its high time we burried it. We have a President whose, like super smart about law and stuff and understands whats best for the people, and I say let him just say what should be done.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    "Slaves are considered as property, not as persons"
    Slaves were human beings owned as property. As such they certainly were included in Jeffersons ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL phrase. Jeffersons own writings clearly state this beyond any doubt or dispute. We further have the evidence at the Constitutional Convention that slave owners and other delegates from slave owning states believed that these persons should be counted as people in the census. This is a direct admission that slave holders themselves and their representatives considered slaves as full persons. They were very much persons and I have seen NO evidence that says otherwise. Do you have any to present that slave owners and those who permitted it believed that people from Africa were not human beings?
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