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  • The government should never violate the Constitution

    47 85.45%
  • I don't care as long as I like the results of the violation

    2 3.64%
  • It should be only violated in exterme emgerancies

    4 7.27%
  • The constitution is outdated and should be thrown away

    2 3.64%
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Thread: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    And their opinion only matters when the courts agree to hear the case.
    well, at least i've got you to admit their opinion matters at some point... that's progress.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Ehhh...I went with it shouldn't, since you can both make and enforce law and at the same time be breaking those laws (while expecting everyone else to follow them, or other laws you make). Also agree that I'll defer to the courts in making the decisions if the government is or isn't violating the constitution.

    I do think a rewrite should probably be at least looked at, considering it's around 228 years old, and a hell of a lot changes in that time. It works well enough now though that it isn't anything I'd worry about though, plus our politics are so divided and corrupted, a new constitution would probably end up being pretty awful so the original will do.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Whose interpretation of the constitution? Yours? Mine? Some bloggers? What about a blowhard on TV? I don't care if the government violates any laymen's interpretation of the constitution. I do care if the government violates the federal court system's interpretation of the constitution as that is the only one that really matters.
    Only those who do not agree with what Constitution clearly and unambiguously says, and do not wish for it to be obeyed, claim that there is any argument about “interpretations” of it.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I voted "...should never..."

    I don't worry too much about it. Don't play gotcha games over it. With our checks and balances, we're fairly protected.
    Except that we're not.

    The various separated powers that are supposed to act as a check on one another, and stop any violation of our Constitutional rights, much too often instead collude against us, conspiring to commit these violations.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Constitutional Law 101: The ultimate arbiters of what is and is not constitutional is the federal courts.

    If you don't accept that, then you don't accept the constitution.
    The Constitution does not give this power to the federal courts. In fact, Jefferson warned against this abuse.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Bait thread alert!
    I wouldn't say it's a bait thread, I think it's a legitimate question whether liberals really believe that following the constitution is important.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Depends what part of the constitution and when the violated law in question was added. I don't really care for the 'wisdom' of the founders, being a bunch of bigoted slavers from a time and place that is unrecognizable to our own. Having said that, they did get some things right, like freedom of speech, and later amendments like prohibition were complete failures. I also seriously doubt the broken political system today could come up a remotely functional constitution, if they were charged with making a more modern government and list of 'inalienable' rights

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Except that we're not.

    The various separated powers that are supposed to act as a check on one another, and stop any violation of our Constitutional rights, much too often instead collude against us, conspiring to commit these violations.
    I don't disagree.

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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Simple question do you care if the Government violates the Constitution?
    "The government should never violate the Constitution"

    This, of course, is the 'correct' answer. The fantasy answer. And is the answer I chose.

    Reality is, of course, far different. Since the beginning of time mankind had made rules for itself then sought to violate said rules. Rules are for others (people who cannot be trusted), not ourselves.
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    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    None of the above ! . In truth, IS our Constitution being "violated" ? It is a rather vague instrument and open to interpretation . I suspect that it is the interpretation that the conservatives have a problem with .

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