View Poll Results: Do you care?

Voters
55. You may not vote on this poll
  • The government should never violate the Constitution

    47 85.45%
  • I don't care as long as I like the results of the violation

    2 3.64%
  • It should be only violated in exterme emgerancies

    4 7.27%
  • The constitution is outdated and should be thrown away

    2 3.64%
Page 2 of 13 FirstFirst 123412 ... LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 130

Thread: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

  1. #11
    Sage

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Texas, Vegas, Colombia
    Last Seen
    11-28-16 @ 05:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    20,295

    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Whose interpretation of the constitution? Yours? Mine? Some bloggers? What about a blowhard on TV? I don't care if the government violates any laymen's interpretation of the constitution. I do care if the government violates the federal court system's interpretation of the constitution as that is the only one that really matters.
    yup.. the people don't matter.. the only thing that matters is government.

    that's pretty common outlook in this country anymore.

  2. #12
    Sage


    MaggieD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Chicago Area
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    38,772
    Blog Entries
    27

    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Simple question do you care if the Government violates the Constitution?
    I voted "...should never..."

    I don't worry too much about it. Don't play gotcha games over it. With our checks and balances, we're fairly protected.


    Thank you, Quazi!

  3. #13
    Mixed Government advocate
    Master PO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    93,000,000 miles from Earth
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:40 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    31,134

    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    well the constitution has be blatantly violated, and not even the USSC could not say it has not.

    before the 17th amendment to the constitution was ever even created, some states were already directly electing senators from their states by the people...which directly contradicts the constitution.

    texas for example elected its first senator by direct election in 1906, seven years before the 17th.

  4. #14
    Sage
    Bodhisattva's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    The South Pacific
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:23 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    57,106

    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    It is violated on a daily basis by people, businesses and the government... and that won't ever change.

  5. #15
    Pragmatist
    SouthernDemocrat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    KC
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:16 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    15,985

    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yup.. the people don't matter.. the only thing that matters is government.

    that's pretty common outlook in this country anymore.
    Constitutional Law 101: The ultimate arbiters of what is and is not constitutional is the federal courts.

    If you don't accept that, then you don't accept the constitution.
    "You're the only person that decides how far you'll go and what you're capable of." - Ben Saunders (Explorer and Endurance Athlete)

  6. #16
    Sage

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Texas, Vegas, Colombia
    Last Seen
    11-28-16 @ 05:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    20,295

    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Constitutional Law 101: The ultimate arbiters of what is and is not constitutional is the federal courts.

    If you don't accept that, then you don't accept the constitution.
    that's true.. the judicial is the final arbiter.

    which brings me to a question.... if the "laymens" interpretation doesn't matter... how does a Constitutional question ever make it in front of the court?... and why do they allow the plaintiff to present an argument?

  7. #17
    Pragmatist
    SouthernDemocrat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    KC
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:16 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    15,985

    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that's true.. the judiciual is hte final arbiter.

    which brings me to a question.... if the "laymens" interpretation doesn't matter... how does a Constitutional question ever make it in front of the court?... and why do they allow the plaintiff to present an argument?
    They hire a lawyer that's how. A laymen could hire a lawyer and challenge just about anything, it doesn't mean there is any merit to his case. The fact is people make all sorts of absurd claims about the constitution and everyone of them are irrelevant unless the federal court system agrees with them.
    "You're the only person that decides how far you'll go and what you're capable of." - Ben Saunders (Explorer and Endurance Athlete)

  8. #18
    Mixed Government advocate
    Master PO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    93,000,000 miles from Earth
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:40 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    31,134

    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    James Madison- The States, in their sovereign capacity, are the parties to the constitutional compact; and are thus the final authority on whether the federal government has violated the Constitution. There can be no tribunal above the authority of the States to decide whether the compact made by them has been violated by the federal government.....

    That if, when the federal government usurps power, the States don’t stop the usurpation, and thereby preserve the Constitution; there would be no relief from usurped power. This would subvert the Rights of the People as well as betray the fundamental principle of our Founding.. ...

    That the Judicial Branch is as likely to usurp as are the other two Branches. Thus, the Sovereign States have as much right to judge the usurpations of the Judicial Branch as they do the Legislative and Executive Branches. ...

    That all 3 Branches of the federal government obtain their delegated powers from the Constitution; and they may not annul the authority of the States. And if the Judicial Branch connives with other Branches in usurping powers, our Constitution will be destroyed....

    So the Judicial Branch does not have final say as to the rights of the parties to the constitutional compact. Otherwise, the delegation of judicial power would annul the authority delegating it; and the concurrence of the judicial branch with the other branches in usurping powers, would subvert the Constitution forever....

  9. #19
    Sage

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Texas, Vegas, Colombia
    Last Seen
    11-28-16 @ 05:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    20,295

    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    They hire a lawyer that's how. A laymen could hire a lawyer and challenge just about anything, it doesn't mean there is any merit to his case. The fact is people make all sorts of absurd claims about the constitution and everyone of them are irrelevant unless the federal court system agrees with them.
    I think you are missing the point here....these cases don't magically appear.... all of them are based in the interpretations of the plaintiffs.
    ....you know, the interpretations you say don't matter.

    it's absurd to argue their interpretations do not matter... they are at the very root of constitutional cases.
    they very well may end up being wrong... but those interpretations are absolutely imperative to our system.... as the courts do not review laws upon passage, those claims you find to "not matter" represent the entire basis for our federal courts.

  10. #20
    Pragmatist
    SouthernDemocrat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    KC
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:16 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    15,985

    Re: Do you care if the Constitution is violated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I think you are missing the point here....these cases don't magically appear.... all of them are based in the interpretations of the plaintiffs.
    ....you know, the interpretations you say don't matter.

    it's absurd to argue their interpretations do not matter... they are at the very root of constitutional cases.
    they very well may end up being wrong... but those interpretations are absolutely imperative to our system.... as the courts do not review laws upon passage, those claims you find to "not matter" represent the entire basis for our federal courts.
    And their opinion only matters when the courts agree to hear the case.
    "You're the only person that decides how far you'll go and what you're capable of." - Ben Saunders (Explorer and Endurance Athlete)

Page 2 of 13 FirstFirst 123412 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •